Brutus

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Bob. This looks like a job for….super man glue! This would run into all the joints easily and bind everything together in short order. absolutely THE NO1 thing about superglue is its ability to penetrate INTO the wood, around joints and does a much better job that others that simply sit on the surface.

Then you could use a BBQ stick and run PVA along the joints for a more physical support?

Ashley

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you, Ashley

It would take a lot of Superglue?

I like the glue and balsa block idea…..It's working very well and very secure

What's the big whopping boat you were talking about?…..Is it bigger than Amy's railway sleeper special?

Bob

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Super Phatic is a very thin wood glue that flows into joints, is waterproof and water clean up. Dries quickly too. Great stuff!

Colin

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Shop floor to Drawing office

I`m looking at the stringers now

Two stringers each side, coming from the bows to the transom…..Transom has only one notch each side

Think a 3D sketch is required of the back end, please

I think I`ve seen a drawing of this end, but have to wade through all the PDF files to find it…..Have we got a list of contents?

Bob in the glue shop

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Shop floor to Mr T

Why not have full width panels supporting the transom, similar to the bow panels?

Bob…..Fingers tappin`

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

To confirm that there are two stringers running down each side of the hull, one at deck level and the other at the chine. As I didn't want to reduce the strength of the slender transom I purposefully only drew two stringer cut outs as these are sufficient for locating and fixing to the main frame an additional mechanical fixing can be made through the transom and into the keel.

Do you really need a 3D sketch of the stern? I don't mind producing one if necessary but they do take quite a bit of time to produce as I am not working in Cad 3D.

I have emailed the rest of the information over to you.

Paul in the sweat shop.

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

To answer your question. 'Why not have full width panels supporting the transom, similar to the bow panels'

The space in the rear compartment is very limited and there is every possibility that the extra horizontal panels would get in the way of the rudder posts but I will have a look and see if it might work.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

OK…..Hang six there, good Buddy………10-4?

10-10 catch yer agen!……..Spanner

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

I'm sorry Bob but I don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hey, Good Buddy (Hello Paul)

When I was on the road in my working days, I needed to know the traffic conditions.

As I was up and down that Mike 6 (M6) like I don`t know what!

I used to call up the Gud Buds (Pals) on the Charlie Bravo (CB Radio), to get a 10-13 (Report) from Gate 19(Junction19) (Knutsford coffee shop) South bound, as I belted down the Suicide Lane ( Outside lane) on my way to Dagenham…..As opposed to the Grannie lane and Sandwich lane

Very often we had Square wheeled traffic, due to a Fender Bender with all the Rubber Neckers…etc

Don`t try to sort it out, it`s just Citizen`s Band radio truckers talk, but it was important at the time and very comical to listen to

Spanner was my Handle…….(.Name)

Those were the days

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Paul

Which of the two stringers fit into the transom notches…..The chine or the deck line?

We need a side view at least!

I`m stuck

A freehand sketch will suffice

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

The cut outs are for the deck stringer but getting the correct shape comes from following the large curve at the stern end of the keel.

As you can see from this view the transom is little more than a capping piece to join all of the loose ends together.

The relationship between the transom and F7 is shown here

Don't worry I will produce a view of the stern construction showing how all the bits fit together.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Paul

We are going to need a few more formers. looking like the back end of the keel, to get a curvatious tail end

No wonder you`ve left this bit till last!

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Shop floor to Drawing Office

Think I`ve got it sorted out now, Sunshine!

A former on each side, similar to the keel shape

Could be made from 1/8th ply with a balsa edge for final adjustment

The structure glue has set solid and is now as sound as a pound!

Like it?…….Yep!…..Sure do

BOBB

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Shop floor here again, Boss

There`s not much room for the rudder posts at the back……..So why not move them forward?

We are not looking for sharp turns on the lake, anyway, and an unusual position for the rudders will add to the mystique of the craft!

Or…..External rudder mechs, covered by two stylish boxes?

Or to be completely bonkers……Have the rudders at the front?……..Yuk?

Bob 

Edited By Bob Abell on 12/01/2014 06:53:24

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Paul

Looking at the very excellent build instructions for Brutus, it's nice to see my name on the front

It would be even nicer…..If it was spelt right?

Thank you……..Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

I knew that you would suss it out without me doing another drawing and your solution of curved panels is a simpler method of building the stern.

But its hands up time and I have to admit that in drawing up a more complex model I have made it to difficult to understand and that I had created the very same 'grey areas' in the design that I used to vilify architects for.

I will redraw the stern of the model and make it easier to understand and taking on-board Bobs comments regarding access to the rudder posts I will also increase the accessibility to this tight area.

The only change to what has already been built will possibly be the removal of the curved part of the keel to the rear of F7.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Paul

I'm pleased you like the construction suggestion

Any info on the new stern shape?

Sounds interesting

You done very well with the accuracy of the formers!

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

Don't worry as the overall stern shape will remain the same and nothing forward of F7 will change, its the way that the stern is constructed that is being changed.

Paul

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Rudder location ahead of prop entirely workable, and in fact works much better than one might suppose.

Ashley (has long and very thin boat with ahead-rudder location)

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Rudder location ahead of prop entirely workable, and in fact works much better than one might suppose.

Ashley (has long and very thin boat with ahead-rudder location)

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Paul

What's the situation now, regarding the new tail end?

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

All done Bob but I still have to sort it out for emailing.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible

The Drawing Office team are working through the night to get the project back on schedule

In the meantime, the shop floor are gearing up for some delicate remedial surgery at the backend which may require censoring

Goggles and face masks are mandatory

All good fun, eh?

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

For Paul really

Mod to F7……3/8" Wider each side

The problem was that the stringers were already glued in

Clever Bob didn`t remove the old stringer….but added to it!…..See photo

I`m either in for a pat on the back or a bo*****ing!

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