Another billings slo-mo-shun

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

 

Hey Tom a man after my own heart. only difference seems to be you have the ability to do something about it. a thread on this subject or perhaps a publishing of your findings would be a great idea. particularly the details of your dynanometer and other test equipment. It would be nice to know before a model goes in the water that the best prop/motor/bty/esc combination is fitted as these bits of kit can be far too exspensive to use the trial and error approach.

 

Now it’s my turn to climb of the soapbox lol

 

and on with the build thread

 

 

Finally the last deck plank went on at 12 ish today!!

 

That means that at 2 ish i got to trim and sand everything to shape as you see!

Then the “aerobond” contact adhesive came out and some time later the 1st veneers are on and looking the business. Not as hard as I remember it in the end. although the tight bend at the back of the side walls was a challenge as  the compound curve across the bow will be!!

the mantra is “be patient be calm work clean”

 

Phil

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Looking good,phil

 

How did the new glue perform?

 

Bob

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

Like a dream Bob

 

 as long as one takes care to line each peice up a little slip is possible app 1/2mm to tighten joints

 

then as soon as modest pressure is applied the idea of clamps vapourises.

 

any excess simply rubs off the surface like that old rubber glue we used to use at school. Not that I got any on the veneer surface.

 

Good scissors are an essential tool to cut the veneer with as a scalpel tends to split the back edge.

 

Cutting as near to size a sposs. is also a good idea as is making all the background edges sharp prior to starting, small radii are near impossible to follow.

 

Phil

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

Like a dream Bob.

 

Some pointers for those who haven’t veneered before.

 

Good scissors for cutting as a scalpel tends to split the back edge.

 

background prep is as essential as it is for painting, make all edges sharp, as small radii are near impossible to follow at edges. elsewhere no tight bends.

 

Cut each piece as close to size as possible so a light sanding is all that’s needed to finish.

 

With contact adhesives allow them to dry thoroughly before applying veneer or you’ll need clamps for about a week.

 

the advantage of this glue (aerobond) is you can dampen the veneer to allow tighter curves without affecting the glue, it’s water based.

 

Work one piece at a time and be patient, keep things clean too.

 

Phil

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

Like a dream Bob.

 

Some pointers for those who haven’t veneered before.

 

Good scissors for cutting as a scalpel tends to split the back edge.

 

background prep is as essential as it is for painting, make all edges sharp, as small radii are near impossible to follow at edges. elsewhere no tight bends.

 

Cut each piece as close to size as possible so a light sanding is all that’s needed to finish.

 

With contact adhesives allow them to dry thoroughly before applying veneer or you’ll need clamps for about a week.

 

the advantage of this glue (aerobond) is you can dampen the veneer to allow tighter curves without affecting the glue, it’s water based.

 

Work one piece at a time and be patient, keep things clean too.

 

Phil

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

Like a dream Bob.

 

Some pointers for those who haven’t veneered before.

 

Good scissors for cutting as a scalpel tends to split the back edge.

 

background prep is as essential as it is for painting, make all edges sharp, as small radii are near impossible to follow at edges. elsewhere no tight bends.

 

Cut each piece as close to size as possible so a light sanding is all that’s needed to finish.

 

With contact adhesives allow them to dry thoroughly before applying veneer or you’ll need clamps for about a week.

 

the advantage of this glue (aerobond) is you can dampen the veneer to allow tighter curves without affecting the glue, it’s water based.

 

Work one piece at a time and be patient, keep things clean too.

 

Phil

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

Forum error lol 4 times it told me it hadn’t been able to complete so eventually I logged out then back in and lol and behold it had each time grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

Phil

 

Memo to Colin please remove the extraneous posts

 

Phil

Edited By Phil Winks 1 on 22/04/2010 20:53:42

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

I see colin hasn’t moderated this thread today lol

 

Had most of the day and glorious sunshine again so set up on the lawn and started veneering the deck at 9 ish this morning.

just look what no distractions does to the progress

 

And finally about 2 O’clock  my favourite bit of the whole process. the 1st coat of thinned yacht varnish to seal the veneer. Now we see the beauty of the wood.

 

Finally a little moan on close inspection of the veneers they are not of the quality I would’ve liked. varying thicknesses (not by much but enough) varying widths and poor edges. (not to well cut). Good job there are about 8 spare strips.

Phil

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Phil

 

My word!……….You`ve made rapid progress today!……………Looking very nice too!

 

Now then……..What does it weigh?

 

Bob

 

PS…Just got back from Betws-y-coed………You know it, no doubt?……Lovely day

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

Now there’s a question Bob ! All up including propshaft and rudder servo it’s 665g just motor,bty, esc and rx to add to that so somewhere in the 1.2kg region  unless I go for bigger bty’s then somewhere near 1.6kg hopefully that’ll be light enough and no shortage of get up and go. It’ll be interesting to see how much the paint/varnish adds to it’s weight.

 

Using that aerobond certainly made short work of the veneering and I do believe it’ll be the glue of choice for veneer in the future.

 

now to concentrate on a superb varnished finish eh

 

Phil

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

Please note folks the prop shaft is now a high grade stainless jobby with stainless nut and washer courtesy of MMB one of his new range and superb they are too.

 

Phil

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

just checked the relevant web site re power train weight and the all up weight of motor,bty,esc comes to 674g (half the total weight of the finished model) + 30g max for the rx so I’m looking at a total weight of 1369g or 3.01lb thats a bit more than I planned but 600g within the max allowed for the powertrain so lifes looking good

 

Phil

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

Not only is life looking good weight wise but the paint job is progressing steadily too

 

the fin is only dry fitted at this stage however it has a locating pin at the front and the stay wires are located into rececceses in the transome and have a central pin into the spine of the fin and it’s very solid

Phil

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

It`s looking very nice indeed!………And it`s a lovely red too!

 

Well done, Phil

 

Bob

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

Thanks for that Bob the red is actually Humbrol No 19 gloss.

 

The photo doesn’t show the level of shine on the fin unfortunately, the reflection of stern grab handle’s can be clearly seen at the right angle.

 

 I think it may take me a while to get the same level of shine on the deck!

 

1st though I intend to get the running surfaces painted the same as the transome and the ali coloured gunwhale trims fitted, then varnish the lot, as that yacht varnish I have is very clear indeed, and it should give it a pretty durable covering.

 

Phil

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Come on, Phil

 

Latest WIP pictures!

 

Bob

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

To be honest Bob nothing been done for a few days as other comitments have occupied my time. I poss have the chance to do the sponson base adjustments over the weekend then hopefully get on with painting/finishing the underhull surfaces before I set too on the shine on the deck.

 

Mind you I’ve got a trial hull to do for some plans I’ve been working on (very hush hush this as it’s a special commision for a good friend of the ex skipper so no names, No pics and mum’s the word). I think it  may be a suprise.

 

Phil

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

OK. Phil

 

Mum`s the word!

 

 

I`m having a few weeks inactivity, at the moment………..Bob

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

Well I got some time on her at last and the incidence angle of the sponson ride pad/aftplane needed addressing.

 

Simply sorted with a little balsa sheet

 

after this I got the ride surfaces painted a nice silver/ali colour and now I can get on with the varnishing of the deck. this will prob take a couple of weeks as its one coat every 24hrs at most and I expect to need app 12 coats.

 

So here goes with the 1200 wet/dry and the yacht varnish

 

Phil

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Phil

 

Looking very nice

 

Have you got the motor sorted yet?

 

(This is the second time I`ve replied to your post……the first one got lost somewhere)

 

Bob

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

 Thanks Bob I’ve had some issues with that too!

 

I think I’ve found a better option slightly higher reving and a beefier esc and all for  £58 trouble is its from HK and they’re suffering delays with del still thanks to the volcano would you believe still it was ordered today so it’s a waiting game now.

 

Phil

 

Motor / esc

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

You`ve got a lot of patience, Phil…….but still, the varnishing will keep you occupied

 

I can`t get to the Harrogate show now………Got chronic tummy troubles at the moment!…….Daren`t take the risk on a three hour coach trip!

 

There`s no rush…………Bob

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

OOH sorry to hear that Bob. Hope it sorts it’self soon!

 

As far as the patience thing goes basically, I’ve been waiting for a chance to reproduce the superb job Paul did onhis barrel back varnishing, and this one’s given me the chance, so maybe it’ll go the full 24 coats. lets just see eh

 

On top of that I today took del of a vintage veron deep sea trawler in serious need of TLC. cost me £12.00 and looks a real challenge.  However it will give me something to occupy my leisure time while the varnish dries.

 

this is the beast so watchout for the rebuild thread

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

You`re a glutton for punishment!

 

Looking forward to your “Trials and Tribulations”……LOL

 

Bob

[Phil Winks 1Participant @philwinks1]

I am that Bob but surely you remember this kit from about 69/70 proper RC at last (although I think the gear was newer than the kit) and a quick build kit? I do just!

 

from the waterline down she’s 2 peices of solid solid wood! With a ply keel between. Prob the only reason she’s survived.

 

The lad that found it has the radio gear and blow me it sort of works still can you believe. It had an early solid state ESC in it and looking at the ballast resistor I’m suprised she didn’t go up in flames at some point.

 

have a gander at the pics in the album mate that’ll give you and idea what I’ve taken on god help me

 

Phil

Edited By Phil Winks 1 on 06/05/2010 20:50:39

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