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  • #37927
    John Shire
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      @johnshire55937

      How do designers manage to get ideas out of their heads and onto paper. I struggle to draw even the most basic of shapes but others can produce fantastic designs seemingly out of thin air. I am aware that some people on this site have designed their own model boats and I just wonder how they do it.

      John

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      #7974
      John Shire
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        #37932
        Paul T
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          @pault84577

          John

          If the boat or ship already exists then its fairly easy (cheating) by copying the shapes from hi res pictures into CAD and then tracing to produce the basic drawing. Adjusting the basic drawing to the correct scale takes about 2 minutes and then its the more laborious task of detailing (which does take some time)

          But if creating something totally new I start by drawing the outline and core features of what I want and then adjusting the details as the drawing progresses. However having that first burst of inspiration often eludes me and I am somewhat jealous of the people who can create out of 'thin air'.

          In fact a better person to answer your question would be Ashley

          Paul

          #37934
          Paul T
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            @pault84577

            I should say that if you are going to design your own boat it is best to keep it simple so you don't exceed your skills as a builder.

            Keep it plausible, for example don't stick battleship turrets on a tug or high speed motors in a barge.

            #37970
            ashley needham
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              @ashleyneedham69188

              Gosh. Where to start? It helps to have imagination, an idea of what you want to make and what you want it to look like.

              A drawing does not have to be detailed, but needs to show the basics, as a lot of things on a boat (or whatever) are generic, i.e bollards, winches, lifeboats, life rings, port holes etc and once the basic hull and deck have been made, it will be obvious what you need and roughly where to put it.

              Get some paper, draw a waterline and then mark on this with vertical lines the overall length (once decided) and then some horizontal lines for hull height and superstructure, Use a big bit of paper and carry the lines up and across to use for front and top elevations,

              German LFM landing craft#3

              Lets take an example. the LFM that I have just made (see album, and made after being interested in a thread on the forum about German landing craft). I printed off a few pictures as reference material, and stuck together a few sheets of paper to draw a plan on. I wanted it ot accomodate some 1/32 Tamiya tanks, and to put 54mm Airfix soldiers on. What can I say, it designed itself then. I needed to accomodate three tanks, as being a worthwhile number, and I had a maximum length of 4 feet to play with (being the width of the car boot) . I wanted an 88mm gun at the rear, an assault boat, and a superstructure able to fit the men on without them looking too cramped. I lined up three tanks on the sheet of papaer, a Dinky 88, a few soldiers and a bit of Lego simulating the boat. Given that the front of the LFM slopes downwards a bit and the tanks are all under cover, so the height of the sides were established; the widest tank was measured, and so the tank well was made to this plus a 1/4". At the rear, the superstructure deck was jiggled about to fit everything on and finally the overall width was kept to a minimum just allowing for a walkway along the side in case I fancied putting some men on there ( so, well width, two lots of 4mm for the well walls,plus the walkway width.I looked at the drawing from a distance and decided if it looked reasonably like the photos (given the restraints). By this time I could see the finished article in my minds eye. I had some 4mm ply….have bandsaw, will make ships!!

              I may even have looked at the drawing once when I was busy cutting and glueing.

              Ashley

              #37972
              ashley needham
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                @ashleyneedham69188

                I am afraid, just to continue, that some experience is required as well. Mainly in the constructing department, and also having an idea of how the boat will behave when on the water..and by that I mean stability, likeley draught, power requirements and so on.

                As a rule I draw a centreline on the plan, and site all the heavy stuff near to this, or stuff equally either side. It is not that this WILL be where the centre of gravity is, but it gives you options to adjust the weights and not get caught out by having the model sit right down at one end or the other and not being able to compensate for this by adding ballast due to depth issues.

                The drive train will be much the muchness whatever you are building…motor-coupling-tube-prop.

                Building a boat with a nice curvy hull WILL require "plan lines" to get the sections correct for planking, and this is a bit tricky. I avoid this by using the flat botton approach.

                My experience told me that the LFM, despite being 4 feet long and 8 or something inches wide, would only have a draught of 3/4" or so (spot on almost), and so I designed it to have a draught of one inch so I didnt have to use loads of ballast. Conversly, the Nelson battleship had its draught INCREASED by perhaps 50% so I could put loads of ballast in there and the ship would be much steadier on the water than it might otherwise have been.

                Make a few "Glynn Guest" designs to get the hang of this easy method of construction, and then have a go , using a similar approach. Cant go wrong. Plans?? its all in the mind.

                Ashley

                PS. Dont forget who you are making the model for, yourself and not an army of pondside criticts.

                #37984
                Paul T
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                  @pault84577

                  John

                  I have been thinking about your question and I believe the basic answer is to keep things simple.

                  Many of the older chaps can recall our technical drawing lessons at school and perhaps draw on that experience to understand the basics of producing a design and I do know that it isn't necessary to have or understand computer aided drawing systems as I often abandon the screen in favour of a drawing board to work out isometric and proportional problems.

                  I don't know what schools do these days to teach drawing skills but I do know that the old style technical drawing lessons along with woodwork and metalwork have long gone and I do worry about the lack of practical lessons being taught these days, as a result I am unsure as to how a younger model maker would tackle producing a set of plans.

                  If Neil reads this he might be able to comment better on what schools teach these days.

                  Paul

                  #37990
                  Bob Abell 2
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                    @bobabell2

                    When I was a lad, not that long ago really, I attended the old Openshaw Tech School in a very rough area of scruffy Manchester!……..and what an eye opener that was!

                    Straight from a simple Elementary school and into the Jaws of Hell!

                    Why the Jaws of Hell, Bob?

                    Why?……Because the change in life style was a shock to a young lads system at the age of 14 years!

                    From messing about with scissors and paste, making cardboard cutouts and straight into the world of Industry!

                    The workshops were fully equipped …..Machine tool shop……Woodwork and pattern making shop……Tinsmith, copper bashing and iron fighting shop…..Electric and Gas welding shop…….Blacksmith shop…….and small foundry

                    With hordes of wild part time industrial apprentices from all the local factories!

                    Compare that with searching the school field for things for the Nature Table!

                    Then came the Masters!…….Not Teachers, they were for kids, but Masters! They were not at all friendly and seemed to shout and bawl all day long!

                    The PT instructor was the famous Sale rugby player……Eric Evans!………And did he shout!

                    PT and Sports were a nightmare for me, not being very sporty at the time

                    The Headmaster wore a cap and gown for morning assembly, which was enough to frighten any small boy

                    Then came the Physics lab….the Chemistry lab…….the drawing board room…….etc

                    Then we had Maths with Log tables…..slide rules…..etc

                    Endless Homework

                    I think you may have gotten the picture now?…. Compare all that lot with the kids school I had just departed from!

                    Hence…….The Jaws of Hell……….But I loved every minute of it!………Ha! ha,….lol

                    Bob the Engineer

                    #38084
                    Damien Gardner
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                      @damiengardner44683

                      All good replies I'll just add that after getting an idea the major need is CONFIDENCE that you can build to your satisfaction no one else's

                      It helps to know how to use the tools you need any questions can be asked here or a google search will give answers.

                      A technical education helps greatly in the 30+ years since I left school I've used all the knowledge and gained much more.

                      You'll never know if you donk give it a go.

                      Failures happen to all of us it's best to treat them as a lesson learned and try again.

                      And most important design and build for your own enjoyment if folks give praise lap it up and smile.

                      Been there !

                      Damien.

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