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  • #26078
    Phil Winks 1
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      Having followed Bob Abell’s exhaustive thread on the build of his 1/6th scale model of this boat from near enough day one I felt inspired to give this a go myself initially I intended building from scratch but while in conversation with Bob it transpired that he had this kit and no plans to use it. so he offered it to me and courtesy of Mr P Pat it arrived today. I’ve read a lot about this kit on various forums over the last year and had a fair idea what to expect when I opened the box. The quality seems to be much improved over the early versions mainly because it is now laser cut, as opposed to I believe printed on the sheet material. there are a couple of issues that leap out at you 1 being the brass prop-shaft and tube. not too straight and plain brass bushes on a brass shaft will prob wear out quickly, especially given that most these days will power it with a high revving brushless motor. the recommended though is either a 600/700 brushed or a .15cc ic engine. (not many going that route I’d have thought) the weight of the box suggests a light final result and I think it would be a shame to overload it with a lumpy 700 brushed motor when at half the weight a brushless equivalent will give a very sprightly performance. LiPo bty’s as opposed to 8 sub C NiMh cells would reduce weight further, and I agree add cost so this option needs to be thought through.
       
      anyway a few pics of the box contents the rest are in my photo album on here

      Edited By Phil Winks 1 on 25/03/2010 17:37:43

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      #6019
      Phil Winks 1
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        my 1st kit build after 5 scratch builds cart before horse maybe but this one looks fun

        #26080
        Bob Abell 2
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          @bobabell2
          Hello Phil
           
          Nice to know that the kit has gone to a good home!………..Hope you don`t mind the pencil marks here and there!
           
          Take a look at the Modelboats mag article on this model before you jump in with both feet!
           
          The hatch opening needs further thought…….When you get to this stage, of course
           
          Looking forward to your build!
           
          All the best, take your time….etc……….Bob
          #26081
          Bob Abell 2
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            @bobabell2
            Can`t find your gallery for this build
             
            Where is it?…………………Bob
            #26082
            Phil Winks 1
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              @philwinks1
               I hadn’t ticked the public box should be visible now mate. pencil marks were expected so no problem. Jumping in with both feet is not on the agenda. do you know which issue of the mag the article was in? if you look at the pic of the open box you’ll see some A3 paper that I’ve traced all the sheet parts onto. The issue of the hatch is under consideration, probably extend it rearwards under the fin much the same as that guy on that other forum did with the join on the edge of the red stripe. it’ll be needed just to fit the rudder servo.
               
               
              Phil
              #26083
              Bob Abell 2
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                @bobabell2
                Here it is………
                 
                 
                You will notice the kit reviewer didn`t follow Billings hatch design either!
                 
                Bob
                #26086
                Phil Winks 1
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                  @philwinks1
                  Thanks for that Bob all good useful stuff and lots to read and think about before leaping into the shed with tools at the ready. I prob won’t have any shed time on this till after Easter as I’ve a sailing day at my local pond to organise as well as hopefully getting the little speed boat ready for its trials that weekend. So its steady as she goes on this for a while, and that’s definitely the way to do it justice. I’ve done some research on veneer glues and it looks like the old way is still the best for curved surfaces (Cold press glues) however the names have changed a bit “titebond” veneer glue seems to be the most popular, thicker than pva to prevent bleed through and an open time of 15 min to allow accurate positioning and clamping. some custom clamps called for when I get to this point.
                   
                   
                   
                  Phil (searching for his patient head)
                  #26087
                  Bob Abell 2
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                    @bobabell2
                    I liked the weighted string idea, with lots of little wood blocks, along the veneer.
                     
                    It`s the only way to clamp the veneer along it`s entire length!
                     
                    You`ll find out, Sunshine!
                     
                    Bob
                    #26089
                    Phil Winks 1
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                      @philwinks1
                         I will be re-reading that section of your thread Bob, when the time comes! However one other possibility, given that this is a much smaller boat is temporarily fixing it to the bench and using a curved length of wood to sit the entire length of the strip of veneer, held down with long screws, carefully tightened to exert the necessary pressure.
                         Looking at that kit review I’m struggling to see how he secured both hatches, and water proofed them, especially the servo hatch, as I’m guessing that area may well suffer a little more than the odd splash!
                         I wonder how much speed he got from the 600 speed brushed motor he fitted? The running pics show it on the plane, so I guess it was quick enough. However whats the chance it got to 14.9mph? 1/12th of the record of 170+ that’s the full size set in 1950! Pretty good I’d say.
                         A further point from that review, is there is no mention of paint/resin being applied to the inner hull surface. leaving it, in my view, susceptible over time, to damp ingress damaging the structure and finish from within. As the construction process leaves huge areas inaccessible to do this after hull construction is complete, some thought will have to be given to the subject prior to starting.
                       
                      Phil (head hurting from all this thinking )
                      #26091
                      Phil Winks 1
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                        @philwinks1
                        I’ve spent some time looking over the photo’s at this site, looking for inspiration regarding scale detail. 1 item that I’ve spotted that isn’t included in the kit, is the step running aft from the stb sponson. It should be easy enough to include, but its purpose is another question. perhaps some one with more experience than I can shed some light! the other side has no step, see pics!
                         
                         
                        Phil
                         
                        Portside

                        Stb side
                        #26093
                        Bob Abell 2
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                          @bobabell2
                          That`s not a step, Phil……………….It`s a bracket, supporting the cylinder rod end…….For the rudder………….Only one rudder too
                           
                          Just look at those rear vents!…………..and in the same spot as mine!
                           
                          Notice also, the lower inclined side wall……..much easier to construct than the kit……it`s just a long fillet…..nice shiney metal too!
                           
                          Food for thought?……………….Bob
                          #26094
                          Phil Winks 1
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                            @philwinks1
                            Look again Bob all along that r/h side there is a horizontal flat sect at the bottom of the mahogany area. Effectively raising the chine a few inches. It occurs to me that this may have something to do with the fact that these thunder-boats race on a circular (ish) course always turning one way when at speed
                             
                            It struck me too just how similar you got those vents, Nice work.
                             
                            Phil
                            #26095
                            Bob Abell 2
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                              @bobabell2
                              Nay Lad…………….Nowt there!
                               
                              Since there are quite a few Slo Mo`s knockin` about……..They must have been used for racing at one time…….but the first Slo Mo must have been a straight runner?……imo
                               
                              Bob
                              #26096
                              Bob Abell 2
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                                @bobabell2
                                Phil
                                 
                                When you finally take the plunge and start the build, I would securely mount the spine on a flat plank……………….So that it can`t deflect when the longerons are glued in…….use a few heavy steel bars to keep it flat too………I know you know this already…….I just cant keep me gob shut!
                                 
                                There`s nowt more off – putting than a Banana Boat!…………………lol
                                 
                                 
                                Bob
                                #26097
                                Phil Winks 1
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                                  @philwinks1
                                  Totally agree on the security of the building board bob.
                                     These pictures I’ve found purport to be a faithfull rebuild of “U27”  so although not the original, as near as damm it, have a look at this pic maybe clearer. If it won’t enlarge go to my gallery and view full size from there.
                                   
                                   
                                  Phil

                                  #26098
                                  Bob Abell 2
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                                    @bobabell2
                                    I see it now……..If you going for this…..fit one on both sides?
                                     
                                    Bob
                                    #26102
                                    Phil Winks 1
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                                      @philwinks1
                                      Here you go Bob me auld worrier! . I think the line from the song goes something like this. “Yes we have no bananas today”

                                      As for fitting that step both sides, I’m not to sure, as I’d like to get it as close to the original as possible. Some more research is needed, to see if that mod was fitted to the actuall boat that set the speed record. I’m guessing the answer may well be no! however  fitting it to both sides may help with the set of the stern at speed, and might be something to consider for yours??

                                       
                                      Phil
                                      #26104
                                      Bob Abell 2
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                                        @bobabell2
                                        Hello Phil……………Great!…….That`s the idea…….Like the straight-edge too!
                                         
                                        I fancy these new side boards, as I `ve got plenty of veneer left.
                                         
                                        The only snag is that they may get in the way, when I`m turning the boat over……suppose I could get wifey to help out when the time comes!
                                         
                                        Just made the rear “Elevators”………photo shortly
                                         
                                        Bob
                                        #26116
                                        Phil Winks 1
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                                          @philwinks1
                                          I’ve got a quandry now. it would appear that the Slo-Mo IV (U27) was quite different looking over her 6 yr life.
                                           
                                             starting without a fin and at  varous times being fitted with no less than 3 different designs, including one designed and built by the boeing aircraft company. The one it is sporting on the box cover is that used in 52 when she set the “water speed record” at 178+mph, and it was later refitted in 55/56. Also the red stripe changed over time from a stripe either side extending to mid fore deck, to some where between 52/56 to the design on the box. on top of this I’ve seen photo’s and read reports that strongly suggest it at times had two seats. Specifically during the world record attempts. Also to add fuel to the fire several cowl designs are in evidence.
                                           
                                             So I now need to decided at what point in its career do I model it. I’ve kinda settled for the 52 world record attempt, for a few reasons. 1; the supplied fin is right, 2; if the suggested stripe is wrong thats easy to fix, 3; the major cowl difference is, a huge air filter/supercharger is in evidence protrudng through the front top, and that should be easy enough to model.
                                           
                                          And to make my mind up this was arguably the Slo-Mo’s finest hour. so there we have it. I intend to model this as closely as possible to the record breaking boat of 7/7/1952
                                           
                                           
                                          Phil
                                          #26117
                                          Bob Abell 2
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                                            @bobabell2
                                            Why not just make the kit, as supplied?……………..Take the easy option?
                                             
                                            Bob
                                            #26118
                                            Phil Winks 1
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                                              @philwinks1
                                              Thats a good point Bob. However having a bit of a latent perfectionist inside me, and the oppourtunity to make something perfect, and the fact that I display my creations at a good number of shows through the year. I thought I’d take the chance to add the little details that’ll make so much difference to the finished article.
                                               
                                              They really are quite small details I agree, but then you as well as any, know that’s where the devil is.
                                               
                                              I’ve also discovered that the fin is in fact a trim tab operated independantly from the rudder pretty much pre-set to keep her straight at speed.
                                               
                                              Phil
                                              #26135
                                              Phil Winks 1
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                                                @philwinks1
                                                Right Having given your sound comments and the work involved some consideration Bob I’m going to give this the scale treatment without going to far cosmetic details only in other words. no running board, no change of fin, no extra seat.
                                                 
                                                Contrary to my earlier expectations I had 2hrs free this morning and between that and an hour sneaked after tea we now have some very parralell, square and true frames.
                                                 

                                                In the end what I used to ensure all was square and true was 4 carefully cut squares of ply to fit precisely between the frames. 1st I fixed useing true cubes the centre frame and left to dry.

                                                then using the squares and two clamps to space the next two frames I proceeded 2 frames at a time. allowing time for the glue to properly dry between times. this had the whole assy complete in 3hrs. Courtosey of “fast dry White Gorrila glue”.
                                                 
                                                on completion I’ve measured every concivable opposing diagonal and can find no variations. So she must be straight and true. Time for a big smile and a cuppa.
                                                 
                                                Now to see what I can rearrange so that I can plank part off it tomorrow
                                                 
                                                 
                                                Phil
                                                #26137
                                                Bob Abell 2
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                                                  @bobabell2
                                                  An excellent start, Phil
                                                   
                                                  Such a quick build too……………That`s the beauty of kit building!
                                                   
                                                  The next tricky item is the front side walls and I reckon the ply for this is a little too thin and will distort very easily…………….We don`t want a BB on our hands!

                                                  This was my method……………Thickish material will have a nice natural bend…adjust the frame ends to suit

                                                   
                                                  I won`t poke my nose in after this Phil……….Honest
                                                   
                                                  Bob
                                                  #26138
                                                  Phil Winks 1
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                                                    @philwinks1
                                                    Nose poking is accepted and even expected Bob it’s all good advice and more than welcome.
                                                     
                                                    Before that bit goes on, I’m thinking that the flat triangular nose former, needs a little fillet running along its outer edge, to catch the ends of the planks, or I’ll be relying on a glue fillet.
                                                     
                                                    Also for strength (without weight) I’m considering fillets at the spar/frame joints.
                                                     
                                                    Your right about the speed of kit construction and I need to be wary of this. it’s the haste/speed thing mate.
                                                     
                                                    This is the 1st tme I’ve used the white gorrilla glue and I’m very suoprised how quick it grabs. about 20 mins at it”s lower temp! god only kows how fast it’ll be on a hot summer’s day. Still takes about an hour to go totally solid but even that is half the time of brown stuff.
                                                     
                                                    Phil (off to get the dinghy out and check the pond depth)
                                                    #26139
                                                    Bob Abell 2
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                                                      @bobabell2
                                                      Hello Phil
                                                       
                                                      Thanks for appreciating me poking my nose in!
                                                       
                                                      Here`s something to think about………………..The instructions advise to plank the top first then finish the bottom last………………..Which is what I did, of course………………..Then I  realised the hull base section needed to be watertight…………….Had to use a Banana Brush to varnish inside……hoping for the best!
                                                       
                                                      I was lucky…….Not a drop of water inside…..Phew!…….that was a close one!
                                                       
                                                      I`m busy making the running boards for my Slo Mo at the mo………………..They will look splendid when finished!……………You`ll see!
                                                       
                                                      Bob
                                                       
                                                      PS…..Don`t think you need fillets at the longeron / former area………..the skinning will do that?……..Save weight!
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