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    Andrew Pike
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      @andrewpike61096

      picked up an old aerokit sea commander recently. the bushing by the prop has a tiny bit of play in it

      4mm solid steel propshaft, copper tube and bronze bushings

      has anyone ever replaced the bushings in a stuffing tube? i see some available online. the stuffing tube is in there for life, its epoxied in there very well.

      i feel i could knock the front one out with a rod, assuming they are just pressed in, and the rear i could tap and install a screw and lightly slide hammer it out

      just curious if anyones done or attempted this before

      im not sure if she leaks, but i know the slops not gonna fix itself and will likley only get worse, just trying to get a game plan so if it comes down to it im not lost

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      Andrew Pike
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        @andrewpike61096
        #98381
        Andrew Pike
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          @andrewpike61096

          im not sure the id of the tube but od is 8mm

          these would likley fit

          https://www.ebay.com/itm/172127108725?hash=item2813933e75:g:doQAAOSwxp9W369e

          #98382
          Andrew Pike
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            @andrewpike61096

            neat idea, more of a legit stuffing box for piece of mind, install a lip seal in a short section of hose, and slip that over the stuffing tube inside the boat

            i know the grease in the tube and tolerance of the bushings is supposed to keep water out but what if it doesnt?

            cant say ive been able to see anyone do something like this other than a submarine using orings i found on youtube

            not much difference between my idea and the seal on the driveshaft and propshaft on an outboards lower unit

            https://www.grainger.com/product/DDS-Rotary-Shaft-Seal-4-mm-Inside-61AK86

            i know im replying to myself here, just thinking about the driveline, would like to rebuild it. its a 60 year old boat, i dont want it to start rattling the boat apart and dont want a drop of water in there

            allready have an ujoint setup coming to replace the old hex shaped cup joint that wont run true on the motor, should get rid of alot of the rattly noise

            #98384
            Richard Simpson
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              @richardsimpson88330

              Hi Andrew, lots of questions and I'm sure, as usual, there will be as many answers as there are members here!

              Just one or two points from my own experience which may be of help.

              Just to mention to start with, a tiny bit of play in stern tube bushes is not abnormal. The clearances even in a new tube can sometimes be more than you might expect so it may even be worth leaving well alone until you have run the model with grease on the thrust washers only and oil in the tube. If it seals and runs smoothly you may well decide to leave them alone. I do not use grease in the stern tube as, at the very least they will increase load on the motor and thereby battery duration, and at the worst they can cause too high a current in the motor. I grease only the thrust washers on the ends of the tubes and fill the tube with motor oil.

              Replacement bushes can also be a little sloppy on the shaft as the machining quality can frequently leave a bit to be desired. Try them on the shaft first, if they are a nice close fit with little play but free to rotate they should seal reasonably well.

              It is also worth considering ball bearings. These tend to be machined to much closer tolerances and should give a better seal but can again cause a little drag from the shields. You don't need to grease or oil the tube when using ball bearings for the sake of turning resistance but it is worth using some oil to prevent rust on the shaft. If the bearing isn't a tight fit you can smear a little bearing lock on the surfaces.

              Take great care when removing the old bushes as they can be quite tight, especially if they have been in for many years, and the tube is actually very thin walled so can deform easily if you put too much stress on it.

              I would definitely not be too quick to remove the old bushes before you have cleaned everything up, greased the thrust washers, put fresh oil in and tried it on the water first. You may be surprised that things are OK.

              Also if the internal tube end and bush are actually above the water line then there should be very little reason for any ingress of water so it is well worth testing the model first.

              #98385
              ashley needham
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                @ashleyneedham69188

                Andrew, it may be easier and cheaper to simpy fit a new shaft.

                Heat the old one up to soften the glue and whack it with a hammer (gently).

                Clear out old glue, epoxy new shaft in. Job done.

                Ashley

                #98386
                Ray Wood 3
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                  @raywood3

                  Hi Andrew,

                  I'm with Ashley if you concerned replace the whole tube & shaft say £10.00 you will need a new propellor as in the old days the thread would have been 4 BA not the 4.00mm we use now, but it's a popular question on this forum which elicits many answers some being rather over thought in my view , but most boats leak to some degree, and the boaters I know have a syringe and pipe to pump out the water in their tool bag, It's not like our models are going to stay in the water for that long !

                  If It was ok 40 years ago It maybe still alright now, If you have a bath put it in for 10 minutes and see, but varnish the inside of the hull first

                  Regards Ray

                  #98391
                  Dave Cooper 6
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                    @davecooper6

                    Just to add my two-penneth :

                    If the motor end is above the waterline (see Richard's note), I wouldn't worry. I had just this concern on my RAF launch. I just put some 'vaseline' under the top bush. Does it matter if water gets in the tube ? The only concern here is, maybe, corrosion on the prop shaft. Undo the motor coupling, slide the shaft out, clean, oil and replace.

                    As Ray says, our boats spend most of the time 'on-the-shelf' anyway !

                    Regards,

                    Dave

                    #98392
                    Richard Simpson
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                      @richardsimpson88330

                      I very much suspect that the set up is perfectly acceptable as it is and the 'tiny' bit of play you can feel is not abnormal.

                      I would only take on the removal of the tube as very much a last resort as there is too much potential for something going wrong in the process.

                      Edited By Richard Simpson on 28/10/2021 11:28:18

                      #98393
                      Malcolm Frary
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                        @malcolmfrary95515

                        On an old model that I ran a considerable time in salt water, it developed an interesting "engine sound" that was actually the shaft wobbling about. When the bushings were checked, they were fine, but the shaft wasn't. Probably something to do with the lake "water" being a combination of salt, silt and stuff. A bit of heating and careful knocking allowed a complete replacement. Since the tube, on examination, had some matching corrosion, complete changeout was not a bad move.

                        #98472
                        ashley needham
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                          @ashleyneedham69188

                          So Andrew….any decisions yet?.

                          Ashley

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