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9 February 2019 at 10:21 #81010
Richard Caughey 1
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I recently bought another yacht, I keep telling my missus you need a lot of different type for the different wind conditions . Anyway the problem is that they guy I bought it from didn’t know anything about it, it has no name on it other than squires yachts and sails… It is after a discussion; with the club chairman 914 mm long ( give or take a mm or two? But can anyone give me the type of yacht that it is, I can’t keep calling it “ The yellow boat” a name / type would be much better. Can anyone tell me what it is? Thanks
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9 February 2019 at 10:21 #2826
Richard Caughey 1
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Yellow boat
9 February 2019 at 11:13 #81012
Malcolm Frary
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Using imperial measurements, it is a smidgen under 36" long, so probably an R36. Somehow, the fin just doesn't look right, almost as if it was assembled back to front, but with the bulb facing forward like it should. It might be a Squire Kay boat. I found a couple of pictures of his designs – https://www.allradiosailboats.com/designer/sKay – but they are both Marbleheads. Yours might be contemporary with the Sea Scamp. The site is a big list, but obviously many designs will have slipped past it. One does share the "back to front looking" fin. He was a prominent maker in the Chorley area when I started in boats, but I don't know if he is still going. Pre-internet, so probably not a lot of information easily got.

In the USA, a variant that they call a "36/600" is popular. 36 inches long, carrying a nominal 600 square inches. They generally have a longer fin, but properly rigged yours should perform well in a surprisingly wide range of conditions with what is effectively an IOM #2 rig. I got one last year at a Bring n Buy and spent the summer sailing it like a hooligan. It needed new deck patches, which involved a trip to B&Q's decoration department and buying a roll of sticky back plastic.
9 February 2019 at 11:54 #81013
Richard Caughey 1
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Thanks for the info, The rudder is not attached to the servo arm, it didn’t look right to me either way round, so not sure what to do with it other than maybe make another one? I think I am going to go with sea scamp for now, it does look very similar, unless anyone has another opinion? The Chorley connection sounds about right as it was bought not too far away.. As for deck patches I got some duck tape sheets from hobby craft, they have some interesting colours.
9 February 2019 at 12:00 #81014
Richard Caughey 1
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To take the fin off and turn it round will be very difficult if not impossible without causing major damage so I think I might have to leave it as it is?
9 February 2019 at 14:06 #81018
Gareth Jones
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Richard,

I did a bit of Googling and the attached link **LINK** discusses someones attempt to identify a Squire Kay Marblehead, eventually thought to be a Sea Scamp. In the discussion there is mention of the keel apparently being fitted 'backwards' so may be this was a Squire Kay design characteristic at the time. The writer mentions he had a list of other Squire Kay designs in the paperwork he got with his yacht and it lists a 36R Sea Shrimp, which would match the dimensions of your yacht. I think you would be better off leaving the keel as is, at least until you have tried sailing it. I think the rudder is the correct way round as shown in your photo above.

Gareth

Edited By Gareth Jones on 09/02/2019 14:08:18
9 February 2019 at 20:21 #81021
Richard Caughey 1
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Thanks for the info, the pic of the scamp didn’t match very well my fin looks shorter, so may be a shrimp is the one?As for the fin , that’s my plan, re attached the rudder today and put on the deck patches, and fitted the mast with sails, looks ready to go, going to sail when the weather/ wind is ok
10 February 2019 at 10:42 #81030
Malcolm Frary
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The Scamp will have a much longer looking fin as it is a Marblehead, and the Shrimp is a R36R. Different classes, different rules. R36R boats were a box rule, the hull had to fit into a given size of box. This meant a beamy hull to support the necessarily heavier weight on a shorter fin.

Despite what I instinctively thought about the fin, it looks like the notch at the top end of the leading edge of the fin was a Squire Kay hallmark at the time.

R36R's, not having any rules about how much sail they could carry, tended to be a bit skittish in a strong breeze. They tended to fall out of favour as the IOM class gained popularity.
10 February 2019 at 13:17 #81040
Richard Caughey 1
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I took her out this morning, It was a little breezy, but not too strong, but even so it was tricky keeping her upright!

So I agree with the comment about being skittish, and that was on the smallest set of sails! I am going with shrimp.
11 February 2019 at 12:51 #81052
Tim Rowe
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Richard

That's a huge rig for what appears to be a quite shallow fin. I am not surprised the boat being skittish and perhaps hard to control. Relatively speaking our model yachts are often sailing in gales and hurricanes.

If the boat turns out to be too difficult to control in normal conditions it won't be fun to sail and I would think about reducing the sail area. If you lost some height on the mast that would lower the centre of gravity and make the boat a bit stiffer.

In the 80s and 90s that keel profile was quite popular on full size but as Malcolm says, the other way around.

Let us know how you get on with it and what other yachts have you managed to get passed the Missus?

Tim R
11 February 2019 at 13:34 #81053
Richard Caughey 1
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I have 4 sets of sails for this boat two are bigger and one is slightly smaller than the one in the pic, so next time out it will be the smaller set. As for the yachts that I acquired and these have all been acquired in the last three months,a couple from the club, the rest off fleabay. The first few came into the house easily, the last one caused a serious argument with t’wife, the result being that I am not allowed any more her exact words are not publishable but the general theme was NO MORE!!! . I have only been sailing since the beginning of December last year. In the order I bought them… 1metre (IOM?) thunder tiger nautilus, Fiesta, kyosho fortune II, Robbe Smaragd ( partially completed but sailable), hegi monsun 1970’s kit (now built), I think next came a Robbe Atlantis kit (not built, just figuring out now how first to make a keel weight as there is none, before I start the rest of the build), these were followed very shortly after by a Victoria and the sea shrimp. Appart from the Atlantis( which is going to take me forever to build)I have sailed them all, and at the moment I have to say that the Smaragd was the best (appart from getting in and out of the water!) so far has been a very fast steep learning curve for me with lots of new words to learn and failed rudders, failed winches sails/ sheeting coming undone and one near sinking, mostly due to buying and sailing second hand (older) models that really needed some tlc and attention before sailing ! At some point I will get another but it will be a modern new racing type yacht. For now though I am really enjoying it and soaking up all the info I can get from whatever sources are available.
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