Vintage yacht 36R

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Bob,

I opened the box (left the money) and as you said it was all okay, no major cavities and just a bit overfilled. Now I can chisel the lead back to my lines and see how it fits.

I found that a 1/2 inch sharp chisel works best, wnat suggestions have you?

Kimmo.

PS the mould broke when I turned it over to remove screws so a repaet would involve a re-casting in plaster too.

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Oh and Bob,

here's what the snow is like up top here, this is on what we call the Mountain Mile, looking back along the road towards Ramsey. This position is about 1/3 mile along at the first sheep marshal's point used for the races. The cut through the snow is on the left hand side of the road, so what's on the right is what has to go before we can race!

Kim

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hi Kimmo

Looking good…..Nice and shiny too!

I think I used a sharp plane for trimming the lead

Keep posting your progress please

Bob

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Kim. Pah…call that snow??? we have AN INCH in London and the place shuts. Trains wont run busses get jammed up. Thats what you call REAL snow.

Cat…did I see a tail???

Lead..what about using a surform (of some sort, narrow one for instance..) hold lead in vice (via a cloth perhaps) top just level with jaws. I have a killer rasp file, with teeth that will cut through plate armour.. useful for removal of unwanted materila, fast.

Ashley

[Gareth JonesParticipant @garethjones79649]

Hi Kim,

Are you planning to take on the Americans with your vintage 36R at Llandudno. If so, is it going to be self steered by a vane gear or braine gear? Eizabeth's Razorbill, now provisionally named Ladyshave, is progressing quite well but it will be radio controlled. However she might eventually make it convertible to vane steering using the vane gear of her Marblehead which is also 'dual control' Here is the current state of play:-

Bob,

While looking through my copy of Graham Reeves' book 100 years of Model Yachting, I discovered that the Pugwash trophy is awarded in a team competition for Vane 36R yachts so I guess it is what everyone will be trying to win at Llandudno.

Gareth

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Gareth,

it's the simpler (if you can call it that) braine gear, no fin to make, no r/c to mess about with, just plain ol' sailing. Good luck to Elizabeth and great news if she goes to vane, apparently there's not many vane 36R about anymore according to VMYG.

Hello Bob – help!!!!!!!!!!

Just turned the hull over as I'm to take out the building frames and put in 4 more robust ones to support deck and mast. Just thought I'd check the rule book. Draft: deck to base keel no more than 11" ok at 10 3/4". Length: not more than 37" with bumper on ok at 36 1/2". Beam: maximum to be no greater than 9" – oops! I'm 3mm over. Checked back to the scans and drawings for the frames and guess what – I added 2 mm to each frame half to allow for the keelson slot – what a dumbo!

Now trying to pinch in slightly with the new frames, now 5 in number, and will have to double up the ezi-cote on the two sides and try and sand down to 1mm each side. Planks are 2mm so maybe I'll get there, but only just. Paint will have to be thin coats too. I don't know how else to trim the beam, do you?

When I get to be measured I'll have to ensure plenty of vaseline so she'll slip into the measuring box .

What a cuckoo eh?

Kim

Edited By Kimosubby Shipyards on 04/04/2013 19:39:07

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Kimmo

All is not lost, without the frames, the hull will crush down 3mm quite easily,

That's only 1.5 mm a side

Add a few cross bars, relevel the top surface and use the deck to maintain the dimension

All the best, Kimmo

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Kimmo

What's the latest with your fat 36R?

Bob

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Bob,

just adding in frames to take adjustable cross beams, then I can ensure the curvature looks good before any gluing. I'll post a few pictures later, when alls done. I have the deck sheet ready so can use that to also ensure the width is 9" and no more!

Have you a deck layout for a 36R, I've nothing except some photos from the web.

Got to trim some weight from the lead, so will drill it out trying to keep the balance. Apparently the finished weight of the yacht should come in at just under 12lbs (that what it says on the plans.)

Kimmo.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Kimmo

Sorry, got no drawings of the rigging now, they went with the boat

I remember the mast had a few positioning options and so did the jib sail

If the mast was moved f'ard…so did the jib sail, which was mounted on a slider, thus preserving the off set

Bob

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Bob,

I've just dug out my Braine/vane gear blueprints, and theres a usable deck layout suggested with them dependent on what I'm using – which will be a simple Braine as time runs out.

Successfully dry mounted the ballast, had to widen one hole. Have also drilled it out to lower weight to 4.9Kg, which gives me plenty for deck gear etc.

Just Ezi-coated the inside of the hull. Next job is to drill rudder tube and get that fixed and then some additional timber strengtheners for stays mounts, jib and main racks and jib slide. All in a days work.

Soon be on the water, Kim.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hi Kimmo

You have quite a tricky problem brewing regarding the final ballasting!

You won't know the final requirement until all the gear is in position!

I would suggest you bolt the keel weight in position, make the hull waterproof and experiment in a the bath!……….But you will need to have the mast and sails in position too!

All good fun….eh?

Bob

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Bob,

the final trim should be fine, the mast and its load is just about even about the balance and I can still add a bit of lead to the stern before final planking of that end.

Here's todays workings. Finished adding the "shelf" at the gunwale for the deck to sit on and be glued to. I laminated it from ends of planks used on the hull so that it would keep shape.

Before clamping so

and then clamps and tightening thus:

And all checked out by the Mistress Shipwight, who can't leave my work bench alone!

 

The Ballast was trimmed to fit, chisel and a coarse rasp worked best, then pushed home and bolted.

On the stand

and in the hand

Once it fitted, off it came and got weighed, just over 5.5Kg, so drilled out till 4.9Kg or so my luggage scales say

And finally, here's how she looks along the length. Right now the inner hull is Ezi-coated and drying.

Not too bad on the shape, just the one kink but should get that out with the deck and beams. Right back to it, day off tomorrow, well some of it off, got to take family out for my birthday, and guess who's paying!!

Kim.

Edited By Kimosubby Shipyards on 11/04/2013 19:58:57

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

 

Well, after that bit of fun with the new Shannon lifeboat, back to the build.

Finished adding in the new crossbeams, and then the additional strengtheners where the deck furniture will be screwed on.

Now to add the deck. One piece of ply (1mm) as the deck is flat, and then plank on that though I have to cut the planks tomorrow. Used my favourite glue for this job – Stablit. It mixes well, is thick and stays more or less where put, and takes a while to go off if the amount of catalyst is reduced by a bit.

You get 20 minutes at 15'C working time, so it was a quick smear all over and slap on the ply using the rudder tube and shaft to align. I've allowed about 5mm spare all round to sand back when done.

The deck is held down with threaded plank holders.

Now how shall I lay the planks??  (What pattern I mean?)  Straight and level, curved, herring-bone?

Kim

Edited By Kimosubby Shipyards on 15/04/2013 20:20:54

Edited By Kimosubby Shipyards on 15/04/2013 20:26:03

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Kimmo

I like the involvement of Mistress Shipwrights……..Anybody who likes their pets…….Is good enough for me!

I think curved deck planking is the way to go?…..And perhaps……Alternative light and dark planking?

Gerron with it………you've got plenty of time!

Bob

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Bob,

don't have really dark in stock, so this afternoon have cut maple and lime planks at 0.5 x 3mm and will alternate them about a dark king plank with dark strip planks on the flanks. No fancy butt spacing, full length with each. Had to make 3mm to take the curve, 6mm was too much and there was lifting on the inside of the curves. Cutting at 3 gives me additional planks at 2mm for other scale jobs, so not too much wastage.

Might also use dark wood where some of the deck furniture attachs to stop screws lifting planking.

I usually simulate corking beads with black paper, so should get a nice contrast with white and pink planks.

Kim

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hi Kimmo

How`s the decking doing now?

Are you allowed in the rules, to allow a slight deck overlap?………Would look nice

Bob

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Bob,

by flanks I meant margin plank, the hull at deck level is a gnats under 9" – and my spelling, of course I mean caulking (where did my brain get corking?).

Have all the bits now, card, glue and planks so up the ladder and get stuck in – get stuck in – oh soot yourself then. Oh and I've found my stash of bamboo trenails, so it'll be easier setting the margin curve in one length using them to hold the line.

Kim

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Kimmo

Just curious…….How many men will be on your team at Llandudno?

I would think you would need about four? The pond is quite large and would be really hard work running round the perimeter!

I can see a problem arising!……Who is allowed to trim the boat, once it's reached the bank?

If the race is a contest between GB and USA……There must be a GB team already in existence?

The question is……Are you, yourself, competing in the race somehow?

Just a few thoughts,as I don't know how this type of race operates, at the moment

Bob

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hi Bob,

so many questions – all I really know at present is the total entry is limited to 30 boats. I wonder whether Gareth knows more on the rules?

I've been asked what I want to eat on both days, so assume I'm one of them (compeitors that is) as is my Manx colleague.

You are correct, only the skipper can adjust the sail trim, and only one turner on the opposite side, I assume drawn as lots as there was a request for extras to come. I expect there can only be 3 races on the water at the same time too.

Not sure how many the USA are bringing, last time there were eight, and the Manx squad were co-opted to them (as a handicap!).

I must get a copy of the rules, when I do I'll post it for you, I'm sure it will be very interesting.

Oh, planking progressing steadily (40% done), but allotment work a priority in this good weather.

Kim

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Kimmo

If only yourself can adjust the sails, you had better get your skates on!……And a large box of Philosan!

I'm also a keen gardener and Tomato grower!

Bob

[Gareth JonesParticipant @garethjones79649]

Hi Bob and Kim,

Our practical knowledge of free sailing competitions is limited to going to watch the vintage Marblehead competition at Fleetwood a couple of years ago. We went along to get some advice on using the vane steering system on Elizabeth's Pond Princess, most of which I have forgotten due to lack of practice. Essentially the yachts are raced in pairs until every yacht has raced against every other yacht in both directions on the course.

Normally each yacht has a skipper and mate who make up the crew. The skipper sets the sails and self steering mechanism and starts the yacht off and then he and his mate walk down opposite sides of the course towards the finish line. If the yacht comes ashore on either side the skipper or his mate sets it off again on the required course.

If any adjustments are required the yacht must be stationary. Adjustments can be by hand or with a turning pole. There are all sorts of rules relating to this bit, for example you can't give your yacht a hefty shove off, just restart it gently in the required direction.

I have a set of the rules relating to free sailing competitions, (well technically they are Elizabeth's since she is the member of the MYA and VMYG). If you give me your email address I can forward you a copy. I have Kim's address, (unless its changed since you gave us your card at Warwick.)

I don't know any more about the Llandudno competition itself. We are just coming along as interested spectators in the hope of picking up a bit of knowledge from the experts.

Regards

Gareth

Edited By Gareth Jones on 20/04/2013 18:07:32

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Hello Gareth/Bob

I'm still at that address Gareth, thank you.

I've just been on the VMYG and MYA websites looking for the "free sailing rules" and neither site has a link working to them, so a copy would be most welcome.

I'll PM you anyway just to confirm address.

Kim

[Kimosubby ShipyardsParticipant @kimosubbyshipyards]

Thank you Gareth, some good reading to get through on the boat over, so many rules!

Hello Bob, latest on the 36R.

Here's the latest of "Cloie" I knew I shouldn't have asked Bob to suggest a planking style. Still, I found this yacht had a very nice deck too, so made a very much simpler version for mine.

And here's mine as at teatime today – hope to get her finished tomorrow.

Once planking done, need to trim off the caulking (skinning scalpel blade) and then use broken glass as a cabinet scrapper. Then fill any gaps and seal and varnish.

Hull to sand, seal and paint. Then onto the masts and spars, oh, and make the sails too.

Kim.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Looking good, Kimmo

I recco'd light and dark decking to avoid the black caulking!

As a reward, I'll award you 5 stars!

Bob

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