Prototype build of ELLIE

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

These are the ingredients for the Cockpit

I`ve added tenons to the joints, just for interest and it does look better than just plain overlaps?

I think it`s well worth doing……..Make the joints a loose fit and fill the cracks later

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

To complete the picture….

Glued, squared and clamped!

This section decides the rest of the cabin build

How`s that…..Red Leader!

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Bob

It looks nice and square with very workman like joints.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thanks Paul

I have made a small alteration

The cockpit is smaller in width by 3mm each side to allow for build errors in hull and box shape

Will use adjustable packers each side for a nice fit………..That`s what an engineer would have done!

ie…….We don`t want to be sanding the entire box to make it fit!

The width will now be adjusted for the cabin walls

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Making good progress at the gallop now!………All great fun too!

The cockpit box is in position and the cabin walls are clamped in place

We can now decide the widths and heights for all the cabin formers and the cabin end windows

Looking nice now…..Well done Paul

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

The cabin is going together very well and the model is looking great.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Shop floor to Drawing Office

All the formers fit ok with the exception of Former 3 above formers 5 and 6 area

It was about 10mm too wide…..

The formers look a bit clumsy and are spoiling the model interior, in my opinion, and could do with being more delicate, by scooping the middle area away?

They also make the cabin "over located" as the cabin is located on the outside by the cabin walls. The section between the coaming is not really required?

Just a Shop floor suggestion

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

The cabin frames are solid because originally the cabin walls and roof were specified at 4mm.

As the 4mm ply roof is formed into it final curved shape it places a lot of strain on the cabin frames and so the cabin frames had to be solid to retain enough strength to resist these forces.

A 1.5mm cabin roof will exert far less strain on the cabin frames and therefore the frames in your version can be more decorative.

But don't be tempted to cut away the lower part of the cabin frames as they perform a dual role in locating and 'holding' the superstructure in position whilst the model is sailing.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Paul

4mm for the roof wood be a roof benders nightmare!

I'm going to use 1.5mm

I'm thinking of cutting the bulk away after the roof has settled down to it's new curvature?

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Morning Bob

Both roofs have fairly subtle compound curves with the rear roof being more pronounced.

Take care if trimming down the cabin frames, especially with the rear cabin that you don't loose the double curve.

Paul

 

Edited By Paul T on 10/09/2013 06:51:41

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

I would use planking to reproduce that compound curve. It will be a nightmare to do in flat sheet material unless you sand away most of its thickness around the edges. Or have I missed a trick?

Dave M

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Dave

Its not like you to miss out on the joys of steam.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Will the mystery builder of model No2, please post a "work in progress" picture?

I`m sure we would all like to see it?

Bob

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Posted by Paul T on 10/09/2013 08:40:06:

Hello Dave

Its not like you to miss out on the joys of steam.

Paul

I like planking!
DM

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

The mystery builder (from now on to be called Mr X) is going to remain a mystery simply because I didn't want to have two builds running at the same time, the reason being that the different building styles might create confusion amongst the readers.

Dave M

Planking up a compound curve is a messy job that requires a lot more patience than I have, I will stick to steam and heavy weights.

Paul

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Paul

I've tried steam and heavy weights but I still can't get below 125 kg. It's probably something in the beer…….

Seriously I've never managed to create a successful compound curve with sheet ply. They always either have a crease somewhere or they assume a starved horse look about them i.e. sagging between the frames. To take a sanding block to a mass of glue blobs and uneven planks and see a beautiful curved shape slowly appear is one of modelling's greatest pleasures.

DM

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

To take a sanding block to a mass of glue blobs and uneven planks and see a beautiful curved shape slowly appear is one of modelling's greatest pleasures.

Sounds like a lot of hard work to me…….Whats that about something in the beer?

Paul

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Am I missing something here… Steam?? Model no2? Mr X??

Steam.. surely you did not include a steam option ???

Planks. I have never done planks and Like Paul I would not have the patience. .

Ashley

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Keep up at the back, there!

Steam – for bending plywood
Model No 2 – comes straight after Model No 1
Mr X – builder of Model #2 who apparently wishes to remain anonymous for the time being
Plank – appears to have mobile phone surgically attached to end of left arm; uses the word "like" inappropriately and at least three times in every sentence, and is usually aged <21.

DM

Edited By Dave Milbourn on 13/09/2013 08:22:46

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello chaps

Just back from a few days away in the jolly old campervan

Anglesey……Holyhead……Harbour…….Museum…..etc

Back on the job………. Making the Rear Window

Note the use of the high level work bench?……..Saves squinting and also bending down!

Using scale like 1.6mm ply, it needs an inside border of 3mm strip for support and strong bond with cabin walls

Bob

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Sorry. Missed the steam bit, bit slow there (advancing age, when you get to 30 things start to slow down) . not seen referenc to model no2 but i dare say that will come out in the wash Ashley

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Ashley

Just to jog your memory there are three different superstructures that will all fit on hull, Bob is building the first version [cabin cruiser] called Ellie.

Mr X is building the second version [fast fisher] called SeaSpray

The final version is a MTB / MGB called Red Leader and is currently unbuilt but I think I know of a chap with an upcoming D Day event that might like to have one running around.

 

Paul

Edited By Paul T on 13/09/2013 17:00:17

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

I am pleased to report that Mr X is having great fun building the SeaSpray and that he has decided to buy some top quality propshafts, props and A frames.

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Hello Paul / Bob ,

Build looking .. MTB looks tempting are the plans ready yet..?….

cheers Larry…

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Larry

How are things with you these days?

Sorry to say that the superstructure for the MTB is still being drawn but I expect it to be ready in a couple of weeks, however the whole design pack wont be released for sale until all of the testing is completed.

Whilst covering three different types of design I am also doing three different levels of build difficulty,

Ellie (the cabin cruiser) is the easiest build and has the most detailed templates.

SeaSpray (the fast fisher) is a slightly more difficult and has fewer of the detailed templates.

Red Leader (the MTB) is the hardest build and consequently has a plan but no detailed templates.

Paul

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