Prototype build of ELLIE

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Welcome back Red Leader!

Have you got a photo of a typical Broard Cruiser that you based the model on, please?

I did see one on the original model thread, but it's not easy to find now

I am thinking of the colour scheme or varnish etc

What about the deck overhang question? Leave it overhanging or plane the deck down and add on a hardwood strip etc

Any feedback from the new builder yet?

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

How many Newbies wish they were at this stage of the build?…..Plenty I`ll bet!

I`ve planed off the surplus deck material and it`s looking good?

Notice the plane lying on it`s side?

If the very proud woodwork teacher saw it……Blade down………Whallop!…….You got a clout round the ears!

Happy days?

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Having a nice afternoon in the workshop today

With the edges cleaned up, the hatch opening can be drawn easily, using the Marking Gauge with a soft pencil….Viz

The hole was cut out using the new Dremel Trio with special cutting out drill, that thinks it`s a saw!…..Something I`ve always wanted to try!

Followed by the plane and then the rotary sander for the curves

Pity the saw dust fell down the holes in the Breadhook and into the soft varnish below?

Should make a good seal though?

OK, Red Leader?

Bob feeling 10 years younger!

[Andy CParticipant @andyc56856]

Hi Bob.

Looking really good now. As a newbie I can say that if I got to this stage I would be very happy indeed. I can see that once the testing done and the fional plans have been drawn though, that it should be a good project for all levels of builders. The techniques that you use and desribe very well by the way, will certainly rnhance my own skills.

Kepp up the good work.

Andy

[Andy CParticipant @andyc56856]

Bob, looking at the plane you have there reminds me of the tools my Dad used tohave. Sadly these have all disappeared since he moved to Aus. What would you recommend for a good quality plane, as I currently do not have one in my arsenal?

Andy

[Dave_PParticipant @dave_p]

Clip around the ear for Bob.

Leaving his plane on its cutting edge

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Don`t be too quick with that clout round the ear, Dave!

Note….The blade is in fresh air!……..lol

Wham!….Take that for your cheek!

Andy

The plane is a Stanley of course

Model number…..G12-060 and costs about £50.00 now

Mine was a Christmas present!

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Bob

I am glad that you feel 10 years younger and that you are having such fun building this model, on the other hand I am a year older today but still feeling happy.

Those little Stanley block planes are lovely little tools and so much more nicer to use than a Surform

Paul

[Andy CParticipant @andyc56856]

Thanks Bob, I have had a look around and you can pick up a similar looking one No. 4 smoothing plane for les than £20. I have found a rather nice looking set including a no.4 and no.9 with a marking gauge and a couple of other bits for about £70. Comes in a nice looking wooden box too. Might get me one of them.

Andy

[Dave_PParticipant @dave_p]

Sorry Bob I will not be cheeky again.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Happy Birthday, Paul……And so say all of us!

You are quite right regarding the Stanley planes…..They are quality tools

Andy…..Beware cheap bargain tools!

They are normally eye candy…..The blades need to be of special steel, hardened and tempered, tools that stay sharp edge all day

We've got a drawer full of so called finest quality kitchen knives and they need sharpening every day!

So buyer…..Beware!

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Andy

This is a quality plane…..

A thing of beauty is a joy forever

It has adjustment for depth of cut by knurled screw, adjustment for squareness and adjustment for slot opening

That`s the spec….get one!

Bob

[Peter FitnessParticipant @peterfitness34857]

Bob, I've often wondered why you chose to use 4mm ply which, as I'm sure you know, is much harder to bend than say, 1.5mm ply, for ibvious reasons. I have found that 1.5mm ply has plenty of strength when adequately supported, and has never caused me any problems as regards durability.

I endorse the comments re Stanley planes, they are quality tools, especially the older ones. I have a selection of them, most of which are in excess of 40 years old, some I bought and others I inherited from my late father. Properly cared for they will last several lifetimes.

Peter.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you Peter

I agree, that the top deck would be more manageable if it was made from 1.5mm ply….Paul note

I also think that the deck build would be more predictable, if all the formers had full width camber bars, on which the ply could be glued before the hatch cutout…..Paul note

My deck is 4.5mm and I noticed the surface had some waviness. I can probably sand it out, but the ply would reveal it's layers. The deck would then require planking, which is a nice idea anyway….Paul note

I suspect the latest Stanley tools are made in China, so once again…..Buyer beware

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

Whilst I agree that the hull skin should be constructed from 1.5mm birch ply or Liteply I am not yet convinced that cutting the deck hatch out after being glued into position is the best way forward as I foresee this methodology creating more problems for beginners than it solves.

Deck planking is a decorative effect which is ultimately down to personal choice as is the over sailing of the deck to create a rubbing strake, both of which will be listed as options in the building instructions.

Peter

The choice of 4mm ply is down to me and my wish to create a design where materials could be purchased from any DIY outlet rather than buying from specialist (and more expensive) model outlets.

From the outset Bob has queried my choice on the basis that most people would be unable to make the 4mm ply bend without splitting and I have to admit that, in this matter, he is correct.

Paul

[Andy CParticipant @andyc56856]

Hi Bob

Quality issues of tols duly noted. Found an interesting site that sells older woodworking tools. Based out of Bexhill and sells old Stanley planes. One Stanley Low Angled Block Plane no. 60 1/2 on its way. Thakns for the advise.

Cheers Andy

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

That is good news, Andy

Look on the net for latest method of blade sharpening

It opened my eyes!

Bob

[Dave MilbournParticipant @davemilbourn48782]

Do you have a link for that website, Andy?
Dave M

[Andy CParticipant @andyc56856]

Hi Guys

The website for the old tools is…. wait for it…..

**LINK**

Catchy name .

Cheers andy

[Andy CParticipant @andyc56856]

Also a s matter of interest to others builders. Whilst I was trawling the interwebby thing, I found a company that specialises in new ans used power tools, i.e bandsaws, crosscut saws and everything else a woodworking workshop would need. they also do handtools too.

Scott and Sargeant Woodworking **LINK**

Might be useful.

Andy

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thanks Andy

The tool link is nice to browse through!

Bob

[Andy CParticipant @andyc56856]

Your welcome,

a nice selection of, hate to use the word antique, lets use classic tools, some actually made in the UK too.

Andy

[Alan TaddParticipant @alantadd57458]

Very interesting build, and great fun to watch progess.

Is there any reason you didn't use a balsa bow block as per early Vernon kits…It would seems a lot easier for begineers to form the lower portion of the bow, than bending/sealing ilower hull in one complete section….Just interested in your comments.

Alan

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hello Alan

We are pleased that you find our thread of interest

I think Paul will include your suggestion of adding a block in the bows section as an option

As the ply option is a bit tricky

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

The good progress continues….

Both hatches are cut out along with the combing strips. The bandsaw is very useful for strip making. If you haven`t got a bandsaw…….Ask Santa Claus for an early Christmas present!

They are essential…..Along with a belt sander……And a vertical drill…..Not forgetting a little lathe too!

The cluster of clamps are trying to compress a raised glue joint, having brushed water on

It seems to be working too!

Not decided what to do with the 3mm deck over hang yet

Bob

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