OK I’m beat

[wayne quigleyParticipant @waynequigley28540]

after months of trying I am finaly giving up building a ship is there any good ready built model batle ship type I would like a good quolity type not a 15 minute wonder

[wayne quigleyParticipant @waynequigley28540]

[Colin BishopModerator @colinbishop34627]

Well, if your pocket is deep enough there is always Graupner's HMS Hood **LINK**

But why are you giving up? Did you bite off more than you could chew? Maybe there are alternatives.

Colin

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Wayne. What were you building?? and what are the problems you have encountered.

I build simple, myself as I would give up if i took a year or something to build a model !!

Ashley

[wayne quigleyParticipant @waynequigley28540]

I had started with the idea of a air craft carrier .with the hull as a stardard type and ballasting ect to canteract the over hang.I then change my plan to a central brige type ship with supper structor central but the more i play with it the worst it get.

this is my second ship I built with the first running 3 years with out problems.I thing I have just been boged down by this on.

I could shelf it for a bit butit has cost so much up till now.

it is not a kit but scratch built

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Wayne. Do I understand that the hull is seperate from the superstructure, and the top fits on top, or that you have the hull and deck in one peice?

Are you attempting to build something based on a real ship or is it a freelance special? Have you a plan or drawing you are working to, or, like me sometimes, you are making it up as you go along

Until you have a boat almost completed , there is never any reason not to get the big knife out and re-do the superstructure or deck or whatever, if things are not going well… do you have a picture of the work so far for us to examine?

Just for comparison.. look at my "todays boating" thread and the carpet carrier. You will see there what can be achieved with, to be honest, very little work and not a lot of money. This was a "head" build, from memory, and after tidying it up I am making a hull for it, out of common hardboard..nothing special, so I can plonk the top on and float it in the water and have TWO aircraft carriers on the pond at the same time (something of a first ). I can virtually guarantee that, while not great, at a distance the boat will look O.K, and I can also guarantee that, once out there, no one will actually notice it is not my "proper" carrier, until I bring it close in.

Ashley

[Andy HustlerParticipant @andyhustler32076]

Wayne Don't give up mate if you get fed up like i have many times just put it to one side have a rest for a week or month and then come back to it with fresh eyes . Why not see if there is a local model boat club and get them to help you out after all two pairs of eyes are better than one . Plus there are always 100's on here who will willingly give you lots of help and advice . Ashley for one has been of great help and has always got 5 minutes to give a few words of advice , then theres paul who again has a mind full of information and at the end of the day it's YOUR boat and no one can do better than you . I know my large leander class frigate is not picture postcard perfect but it's my 1st attempt and i'm very pleased with the way it's turned out , until it sinks or capsizes !!!!!!!

Stick with it wayne

best wishes

Andy from Cardiff

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Hi Wayne,

dont give up , post a picture to where you are now ,

that way we all can see where you are going, ……

if you are into grey boats have alook at some of Glyne Guest plans not rivet counter stuff but simple

builds that look good on the water and sail well ……….Larry''……

[wayne quigleyParticipant @waynequigley28540]

[wayne quigleyParticipant @waynequigley28540]

the first ship I done was a Glyne Guest hms hubart I think it was.

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Hi WAYNE,

The picures are a bit confusing but what you have got to dont look to bad ,

are you building a glyne guest boat or some other ,?.

what are you stuck on ?.

have fitted motors and drive shafts is there access to the hull ,?.

loads of more info required , are youin touch with any other modelers who can help?..

but dont give up yet ………..it looks ok so far …..Larry….

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Wayne. looks ok so far. This is the sort of thing i am doing at the moment… building a hull to fit under the carrier deck previously made.

As last post.. info reqd, especially.. have you bath tested it yet??

I have bath tested mine to get it to float upright but have not yet tried it out on the pond. I feel that i may need some large bilge keels (fins underwater) to stop it rolling too much.

Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Wayne. No problems. Counterweighting the ballast to compensate for the deck superstructure works fine. Deck held on top purely by the lip around the edge of the deck ..as yours is more rectangular, the deck could be laid upside down and the hull upside down on top of this and then a few brackets or thin strips applied to locate the deck on the hull when its the right way up.

I did think that perhaps a hook underneath the deck and one on the inside of the hull, connected by a rubber band might be security in case the wind lifts the top off but I recon its too heavy for that.

Ashley

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Wayne. I have sailed, albeit very briefly, the carpet carrier on its hull, and can report this idea is a go-er. Works fine, Stability appears to be ok. If this an area you are having problems with, then a short heavy keel under the hull would I am sure provide an answer (and less ballast IN the hull)

Ashley . see my album.

[wayne quigleyParticipant @waynequigley28540]

sorry been a while but been a bit hectick.

the boat is all of the cuff working from my head. motors were in after 2 atempt with 2 differant props tried i CV joint and also 2 in line and to my best true and strieght but the noise is out of this world.

there is access to the hull but I feel now may be it needs more as accessing motors ect to work on is poor.

I have in the past been to my local pond club Dover Kent but due to the gray scale of the model there seems to be alot of poo pooing, so help there seem a long shot.

I have taken your advice and shelved it and see how we go

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

On mine, as per picture, the entire top of the hull is open. No access problems there, The awful noise may be resonance of the hull/top. Might be cured by a bit of bracing, or tie-downs for the loose top.

Another ruse is to turn the motor and drive over using just a single battery, at low speed, to see if anything is wobbling. Is there excessive play in the shaft bearings?

I have had this horrible buzz on the two last small boats I have built, and the vibration was due to the prop… a change and they were all ok. 

Ashley

Edited By ashley needham on 16/08/2012 09:03:23

[Martin GrantParticipant @martingrant36546]

Don,t give up my friend – I have 5 ships under construction and not one has been finished or launched yet . . . put it to one side for a few months, do something simple from a plan, then come back to the carrier next year ! Just one thing and the experts on this may not agree – your deck looks very wide for the width ( BEAM ) of your hull . . . I think it might be a bit twitchy !

[wayne quigleyParticipant @waynequigley28540]

thanks Martin

I have decided to build a new battle ship top for the boat with no over hang and the at a later date build a hull for the carrier from scratch that will have a bit more depth to it .ect

[Len OchiltreeParticipant @lenochiltree67043]

Hi Wayne, There is a wealth of helpfull knowledge in the membership of the Model Boat Association Dover in Kent, I presume this is the Club you are refering to ?. where abouts do you live ( dont put it on the Forum ) perhaps we have a member near to you who could help.

Len Ochiltree.

Scale Secretary MBA.

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Bushy park is not so far away and rammed to the gills with helpful experts.

Bring it down and your problems will be solved. I will bring the carpet carrier down and you can see wotidid with something very similar to that you are making.

Ashley

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Hello Wayne ,

Dont give up , can not see what you are stuck on ,,

my grandad motto was :make feature out of a cock up : he was a cabinetmaker,

you show no profile so dont no how long you have been modeling ,.

still here to help ………Larry…

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Larry, and how is YOUR carrier coming along???

[LARRY WHETTONParticipant @larrywhetton68737]

Good Day Ashley coming on well , holiday got in the way , and been puting the garden to bed for the winter will post some pics soon …also looking to purchase some props ,

4models on go , so lots to do cheers Larry..

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