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[Harry ToulminParticipant @harrytoulmin38830]

can anyone help please, building elco 80 pt boat by alitalia with rc. i need colour scheme for ron29 squadron, based in the med. during ww2. so far had no luck with books any one in the states or uk. black and white photos i have but do not help at all.

[Harry ToulminParticipant @harrytoulmin38830]

colour scheme

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Harry

 

Have a look at http://www.ptboatworld.com/PT_Boat_Info/colorschemes.htm

 

And this extract might help

1. The basic superstructure configuration of the Italeri kit applies to boats in the 372-383, 486-563, and 565-624 groups. Boats in this series seeing action included:

RON 27 (PT 372-377) – South Pacific
RON 28 (PT 378-383, 546-551) – South Pacific
RON 29 (PT 552-563) – Mediterranean
RON 33 (PT 488-497) – SW Pacific
RON 34 (PT 498-509) – English Channel
RON 35 (PT 510-521) – English Channel
RON 36 (PT 522-532) – SW Pacific
RON 37 (PT 533-544) – SW Pacific
RON 38 (PT 565-576) – SW Pacific

Refer to: Bulkley, Robert. At Close Quarters. (Washington, DC: GPO. 1962) for more detailed information on these squadrons.

2. The armament configuration of the Italeri kit is only suitable for some Pacific ELCOs and possibly a few of this series assigned to RON 4, the training squadron at Melville, RI. Photos of RON 37 boats, for instance, show them with a 37mm forward, but it is not the conical mount fitted to 565 on; rather, it is the modified 20mm tripod mount. Some, if not all, of the RON 37 boats also had an additional 20mm MK14 offset to starboard forward.

The European ELCOs were usually more lightly armed and the 37mm was seldom fitted, although I have seen contemporary news footage showing it fitted to 509, 515, 517, and 519 in place of the normal 20mm on the bow to port.

3. While there were directives for painting the boats at various times, you really need to look at photos to determine what boats were in what Measure. For instance, RON 29 boats in the Med were initially painted in a modified Measure 16 (Thayer Blue). However, if you look at various photos of them in Chun’s American PT Boats of WWII, you’ll notice that the shade of the decks varies considerably. Whether the darker ones were more recently painted than the lighter ones or whether they were a different color, I don’t know. They all have the light-colored (white??) panel across the bow. There are photos of the RON 34 boats (English Channel) in the normal Measure 13, but also in a very dark scheme with much lighter deck furniture (ready-service lockers, etc.) with no two boats quite the same. In his history of RON 37 (PT 533-544) Leo Brown, who was with the boats as they were coming off the line, describes them as being gray (most likely Measure 13) when built. However, he indicates they were then sent to another yard to be painted a green camouflage, which from the photos in the book was Measure 31/20L. This procedure is consistent with the specs books.

 

And this link might help

 

http://www.shipcamouflage.com/5_4.htm

 

When I was building a PT boat I found this book a great help.

 

 

Paul

[Mike DavidsonParticipant @mikedavidson22772]

Hi Harry I just had a wander throughcyberspacegoogling pt109 etc and had it not been for John F Kennedy’s association, there probably would have been noneat all I did learn that PT stood for Patrol Torpedo as opposed tp Motor Torpedo Boatslike we the british call’em. in our understated way. Contemporary photographs on the web show the PT boats to be an almost uniform extra dark sea greywith occasional flashes of colour in their identification marks. E-bay (usa ) has a set of transfers for sale, but I have no idea of the scale available. there are,  on this website in this thread, some pictures of some PT boats in lurid camoflage colourswhich would make a model quite authentic, but I don’t think it would look bad if it was all dark greyespecially if it was creaming along at max chat  with loads of spray flying about, typical american rubbish, all flash no action

[neil hpParticipant @neilhp]

i used to have 2 books on PT boats, and in them contained many photos, in all different forms of camouflage, and some even in DAZZLE painted colours. these books, although i can’t remember their names will come up on google search.

[Harry ToulminParticipant @harrytoulmin38830]

thanks to all for the help. i think i have bitten off more than i can chew. i am putting the boat together and have to say it is NOT a kit made by tamyia. how can they do it so well and others cannot. i am now contemplating contacting alitaria because the hull is so badly twisted it cant possibly sail in a straight line. of course even as a static kit it will look stupid as you cant fail to spot the difference between port and starboard. i think we will have to save up and buy the tamyia perkasa. on a better note i managed to rc the tamyia pt15 boat with success untill i went in reverse to quick. it sank !. that was 20 yrs. ago of course.             thanks again                                                                                                                                                 harry.

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