BRUTUS MK 11

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hi Ray……..Mahogony deck………This is supposed to be a futuristic Warship!

I`m hoping to sheet it all over with rivetted card construction, painted grey

I know rivets are not futuristic, but they do look very war like!

Bob

[Ray Wood 3Participant @raywood3]

Hi Bob,

Yes you go for it very War of the Worlds'ish

Regards Ray

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Captain Bob

You should have a look at the work of Vadim Voitekhovitch, he is an artist known for his love of rivets in warships.

Or try your hand at this style of SteamPunk

Perhaps they are a little over the top but you would be great at Victorian Ironclads link

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thanks Paul

Food for thought

Now here`s question……

The latest batch of warships look as though they are made from tin plate?

How thick would the plating be?

I`m thinking that if they can`t withstand the impact of a Missile, why have thicker plate anyway?

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

The construction of modern warships is a balance between strength, weight and motive power but as you rightly point out the hulls are a lot lighter and the plating is a lot thinner than the ships of WW2.

Your point about a missile strike is well made and could also apply to shell fire, torpedos or mines, the trick here is that modern detection systems give the warships a very good chance of destroying the incoming weapon before it becomes a deadly threat.

Paul

[ashley needhamParticipant @ashleyneedham69188]

Bob. The clue as to whether to have rivets or not is featured in the title of your thread "ship of the future". This precludes riveting I believe…

The plating is very thin as a missile would go through any amount of armour that you could reasonably fit, so they don't. Good subdivision, damage control and system redundancy is what you get nowadays.

In any case, you are using HARD board….so no worries on the armour front.

Ashley

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thanks chaps

I'm going to use special top secret rivets!

They are not rivets really, but mini rockets to shoot down the incoming missiles!

I'll think about it, there's no rush

Bob

[geconParticipant @gecon]

There might be a 'rush' when the missiles/torpedoes are 'incommig' though,….. with hardbord 'on bord' they may go right through without detonating. A quick call to B&Q and your still floating! Sorry, couldn't keep my mouth shut/fingers off the keys.

George

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

That`s a novel idea, James!

I couldn`t control myself either Mr Bond

Bob

[geconParticipant @gecon]

. I got a job offer many years ago from Bond Helicopters in Aberdeen but coulnd't stand the thought of all the questions from ATC…so I took the job in Norway! It was only a four month contract which lasted 30 years!
George

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

The Transom area is quite tricky to build. It involves flaring the 1.5 mm ply into the keel

The weighted string clamps were useful and the usual array of clamps

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

This is a masterclass in how to create complex curves by using a few clamps, bits of string and odd scraps of timber

Could you take a couple of photos of the transom when all the clamps are removed to show Kevin the result of your work.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you, Paul

It will be this evening before I can post a picture, as the glue takes hours to set and the ply is under some considerable pressure

I`m a bit relieved that the Transom area is sorted

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Bob

Please don't rush the process as the photos can wait until tomorrow, the transom was always the trickiest part of the entire build and it takes a lot of skill to get the ply around those curves without twisting the frame.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hi Paul

This photo shows how the clamps are ganged up to prevent the higher clamps from slipping down the fillet

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

A clever use of basic equipment

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

This mornings photos

The Transom area. This section took some head scratching, but it was well worth the effort

General view, now working on the bows area. Using planks and filler.

The panel joints will be hidden when the hull is covered with card

Bob

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hello Captain Bob

You made the transom look easy but forming those tight curves into the razor edge keel is a very difficult task as the keel at that point is basically a long scarf joint.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Thank you, Paul, having done it before, it was a doddle!

Bob

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Hi Paul

Decided to make a Stand to check the hull

As I was weighing up the model, the unfinished opening at the front, gave me an idea?

Why not fit a pair of Bow Thrusters and do with out any rudders?

Where will the water line come up to?

Bob

[CookieParticipant @cookie15923]

Looks superb Bob , you make it look easy mate

Regards Dave

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Hi Dave

How are you getting on?

Captain Bob

These are the design water line at 4 different speed levels and as we know that these are correct from sailing the first model.

At medium to high speed the thrusters would be out of the water.

Paul

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

That was hard luck

Back to the forward idea…….Wait…….

Here`s another idea!……

Suppose we spread the props under the transom and had tank steering?

Bob

[Chris EParticipant @chrise]

Excuse me if I have the wrong end of the stick but bow thrusters are not of any use when the model is at speed even if they are in the water. They only work when stopped or very nearly stopped.

 

Why has my font gone so small?

 

Edited By Chris E 1 on 26/06/2020 16:33:38

[Paul TParticipant @pault84577]

Bob

You have already proposed to use tank steering with a mid hull rudder.

Paul

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