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  • #72234
    Peter Brown 15
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      @peterbrown15

      I've just picked an old completed kit of the Vosper but it doesn't have any rc equipment installed. It does have a motor and wiring to a rudder unit(rudder detached at present). What kit would I need to make this rc. I will also need to repaint the deck any suggestions on Humbrol paint colour.smiley

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      #2693
      Peter Brown 15
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        @peterbrown15

        Aerokit?

        #72237
        ashley needham
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          @ashleyneedham69188

          Hi peter and welcome to the forum.

          ​In essence, all you need is an ESC (electronic speed controller), receiver, battery and a servo. Obviously you need a r/c transmitter as well if not got already. Simple two channel 2.4Gig sets can be had very cheaply. Anything else, lights/hooter/siren/squirter will need additional channels.

          ​The ESC is to control the motor, and the servo operates the rudder/tiller via a linkage (which can be as simple as a bit of still wire).

          ​I suggest you look at the home page and click on Dave Milbourne`s article on Model boat electrics. Do not be put off by the length of this thesis, it is simple stuff and there are loads of clear diagrams to assist.

          ​Colour….up to you! Have a surf and see what sort of colour other decks are, choose one you like the look of and get the approximate Humbrol colour. A quick surf in between full stops reveals that people have painted them in various shades of Green, Grey and Brown. I am not sure there is a "right" colour.

          ​Ashley

          Edited By ashley needham on 01/08/2017 14:50:20

          #72244
          Dodgy Geezer 1
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            @dodgygeezer1

            Hi, Peter….

            If you are not experienced with radio control equipment, have a look at the last answer on this thread, which explains what the basic pieces are: **LINK**

            #72252
            harry smith 1
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              @harrysmith1

              Hi Peter

              You are on the same path as me!!

              I received the boat with plans and the builder had traced out the frames before he built it!!

              I am planning on using my Turnigy IA6 (6 channel) with a Turnigy L5055C 700kv brushless motor, 100 Amp ESC and a 52 mm 2 blade prop.

              The ESC only handles 4S Lipo batteries, but, I think it will do the job.

              There is a new build on another forum site by robbob and the detail and info he has will help you as it has help me so far.

              Harry

              #72259
              Malcolm Frary
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                @malcolmfrary95515

                What the others have said. A lot depends on just how old the kit is, and what the state of the art was then. On some old kits I have seen, the rudder control was a motor and gearbox rather than a servo. Also, depending on what it is, the motor might benefit from replacement with something more modern.

                #72260
                harry smith 1
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                  @harrysmith1

                  Hi Peter

                  Another forum site with a new built crash tender by robbob, very nice boat with a lot of good info.

                  It has help me out a lot .

                  **LINK**

                  Harry

                  #72288
                  Peter Brown 15
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                    @peterbrown15

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                    #72289
                    Peter Brown 15
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                      @peterbrown15

                      Excellent information provided, many thanks. I've also ordered a book on the subject. I've posted a picture of what I've got to work with.

                      #72290
                      Peter Brown 15
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                        @peterbrown15

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                        #72293
                        Dodgy Geezer 1
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                          @dodgygeezer1

                          What you have there looks like an old single channel 'actuator'. There may be some markings on it to tell us more.

                          If it is what I think it is it will be of no use to you with modern Radio Control equipment, as it comes from a bygone age. It may be worth quite a bit on Ebay to collectors.

                          #72296
                          harry smith 1
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                            @harrysmith1

                            Hi Peter

                            Another link to RAF boats which may help **LINK**

                            The colour used on my boat are Humbrol 156 deck, wheel house and cabin 127, crane and vents 156 and fire monitors 19 with a golden bronze on the nozzle ends.

                            But I have see a lot of different other colours used in model photos!!!!

                            Harry

                            #72300
                            Peter Brown 15
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                              @peterbrown15

                              Assuming the motor is OK is it feasible to fit a esc, receiver, battery and servo to it or is the motor not compatible.

                              #72303
                              Dodgy Geezer 1
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                                @dodgygeezer1

                                It will be a brushed motor, – these have not changed since Faraday's time, so it will work happily with a modern brushed ESC.

                                However, it may well be worn, and of comparatively low spec compared to modern motors, and so produce a disappointing performance compared to modern motors.  It's hard to tell without examining it closely.

                                Probably the most valuable item in the boat is the old actuator. I suspect that you could sell that and buy a really nice modern motor with the proceeds… or a radio control set !

                                 

                                Edited By Dodgy Geezer on 03/08/2017 07:51:21

                                #72322
                                Peter Brown 15
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                                  @peterbrown15

                                  I think I would be happy if the Vosper just stays afloat and goes put put along.

                                  I’ve made a quick shopping list of parts needed and possible cost (from ebay). I can solder but I'm assuming they come with micro plugs.

                                  Brushed Motor £10

                                  Remote Control 2.4 ghz £40

                                  Server £5

                                  ESC £7.28

                                  Receiver £12-£28

                                  Leads ?

                                  Batteries ?

                                  #72323
                                  Noel
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                                    @noel26080

                                    Personally I wouldn't buy a motor yet.

                                    Stick 6 volts onto the motor that's in it. If it spins enthusiastically, then give it a chance.
                                    I mean, the motor in my childhood-era Viking plastic motor cruiser is at least 25 years old and even 25 years ago it wasn't new – it had already had a hard time in one of my RC cars before I installed it in my then-new boat.
                                    It still works fine.

                                    For the ESC the "320Amp" ones common on ebay are OK. I don't think they are really 320amp, but they are good enough for a 540 motor at 7.2volts as long as the prop is not too big.
                                    There is a seller called kcmodelaccessories777 who I have bought some off in the past, they are all UK stock and have been OK. I have used them in garden railway locomotives too.

                                    For a battery, go to component-shop.co.uk and get a 7.2v NIMH stick pack like this:

                                    **LINK**

                                    On ebay I think there are complete two channel 2.4GHZ sets with transmitter and receiver for about £45 if you dig hard enough:

                                    **LINK**

                                    The ESC, servo and receiver will all have compatible connectors. You might have to crimp a couple of bullet connectors onto the motor to connect it to the ESC, or use a connector block.
                                    The battery itself and the battery wires on the ESC will probably have white plastic Tamiya connectors, so they are likely to be compatible straight away,

                                    Edited By Noel on 03/08/2017 11:53:34

                                    #72324
                                    Dodgy Geezer 1
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                                      @dodgygeezer1

                                      Remote Control 2.4 ghz £40

                                      Server £5

                                      ESC £7.28

                                      Receiver £12-£28

                                       

                                      You don't need to budget for a separate receiver.

                                      A 'Remote Control' usually comes as a 'combo' – that's a Transmitter and a Receiver together. For 2.4ghz, you need a receiver which is compatible with that specific make of transmitter, and buying them together is the easiest way to do that.

                                      I use these radio combos at £40 for both receiver and transmitter – **LINK** – you can get them for £30 if you don't mind the wait from China. However, the cheapest one I know of in this country is the HobbyKing at £17.80 for both Tx and Rx – **LINK**

                                       

                                      Edited By Dodgy Geezer on 03/08/2017 12:18:47

                                      #72325
                                      Dodgy Geezer 1
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                                        @dodgygeezer1

                                        To Radio Control that boat at rock-bottom prices:

                                         

                                        HobbyKing T4a – £17.80 **LINK**

                                        s2003 servo – £2.52 **LINK**

                                        Cheap ebay ESC – £4.90 – 4cAAOSw6YtZW9Kb

                                        Cheap ebay 7.2v battery – £6.90 – **LINK**

                                        Keep the motor, as Noel suggests.

                                         

                                        Total cost £32.12p

                                        Don't forget a cheap battery charger – IMax clone – £21.49 – **LINK**

                                         

                                        HOWEVER – note that the cheapest of everything may be a false economy. None of these items will come with workable guarantees or back-up support and service – they may not even have instructions. They may not work according to spec, or may break down after little use. People going for the cheapest are either people who know the field well and estimate that they can get away with less reliability, or people who do not know what they are doing at all!

                                         

                                         

                                        Edited By Dodgy Geezer on 03/08/2017 12:42:49

                                        #72326
                                        Noel
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                                          @noel26080

                                          ?18 for a full rc set?

                                          Got to try one of those.
                                          Cheaper than a round of drinks!

                                          #72327
                                          Dodgy Geezer 1
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                                            @dodgygeezer1
                                            Posted by Noel on 03/08/2017 12:45:32:
                                            ?18 for a full rc set?

                                            Got to try one of those.
                                            Cheaper than a round of drinks!

                                            I had a couple of the Radiolink T4Us, which look to be the same radio. My experience?

                                            1 – they worked well, with good range

                                            2 – the Tx box had a solid feel – one survived being dropped down a flight of stairs followed by a 6 ft drop onto concrete. The sticks are smooth.

                                            3 – surprisingly, they have switches for mode change and channel mixing hidden inside – you need to open the case to access them

                                            4 – mine came with no instructions – you can find some on the web, but it's hard…

                                            5 – the servo reversing controls are crude in the extreme – you poke at a pcb-mounted switch through a hole in the front of the case

                                            6 – there is data on the web for mods to the pcb to enable a 5th channel and the training socket

                                            7 – the trim is appalling – cheap sticky paper. They could be made to look a lot better.

                                            #72329
                                            Tim Cooper
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                                              @timcooper90034

                                              You may want to consider what or if there is to be another model. If the next model needs a few more channels or gizmos then it could be better to buy a suitable radio set for both models. It is usually cheaper to buy a matching receiver than a complete set each time.

                                              Although most of us seem to have multiple sets after a few years.

                                              Tim

                                              #72331
                                              Noel
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                                                @noel26080

                                                Since I got back into modelling and RC in the last couple of years, I have picked up a pair of secondhand Eflite 5 channel DSM type transmitters, and use these with OrangeRX or LemonRX receivers which are available for beer money.

                                                These work OK, but I could do with a third transmitter so that myself and two boys can use one each at the same time.

                                                that's why the £18 job is tempting, although it's probably more flexible for me to buy another DSM tranny and stick with my current system.

                                                But I think for Mr Peter Brown, the £18 one could hit the spot as it still has 4 channels.

                                                Noel.

                                                #72332
                                                Dodgy Geezer 1
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                                                  @dodgygeezer1
                                                  Posted by Tim Cooper on 03/08/2017 13:29:10:

                                                  You may want to consider what or if there is to be another model. If the next model needs a few more channels or gizmos then it could be better to buy a suitable radio set for both models. It is usually cheaper to buy a matching receiver than a complete set each time.

                                                  Although most of us seem to have multiple sets after a few years.

                                                  Tim

                                                  Buying a radio set which would last, and be flexible enough to control many types of model, was essential advice in the early days of radio control. Then, a cheap set could cost the equivalent of £1000, a standard one £2000, and top end ones £5000 or more. You didn't want to buy twice.

                                                  Nowadays, prices have plummeted, and it may make sense to have a smart controller for best, an average one for everyday use and some cheap ones to give to the kids….

                                                  #72333
                                                  Tim Cooper
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                                                    @timcooper90034

                                                    I have just counted and I have 6 Tx. There seemed to be a good reason to buy each one at the time. The last was a Radiolink AT 9, which so far I am pleased with and the RX are not too expensive but have to be ordered from China. Although one of the 6 is a Planet 7 but is not used as it was replaced with the AT9.

                                                    Tim

                                                    #72335
                                                    Dodgy Geezer 1
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                                                      @dodgygeezer1
                                                      Posted by Tim Cooper on 03/08/2017 14:25:04:

                                                      ………. and the RX are not too expensive but have to be ordered from China. …………..

                                                      Tim

                                                      Don't know which one you use, but several are available in the UK. **LINK**

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