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    John Thornton 1
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      #52305
      John Thornton 1
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        Hi,

        Is it okay to charge NiMh batteries in situ in styrene hulled models such as the Model Sipways Puffer, or ought they to be removed? I'm concerned as the cells get rather warm when charging.

        Thanks

        #52307
        Colin Bishop
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          @colinbishop34627

          Should be OK as long as they are not in direct contact with the hull. If they are, then to be safe, you could insert a sheet of 3mm balsa to insulate the batteries from the hull.

          Colin

          #52308
          mike farrell
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            Hi John From experience batteries mostly get hot when charged at a high rate of charge When racing we would charge at about 5 amps (they would then get hot but when charged at 2 amps warm but never hot .

            So check the charge rate first ,secondly I do not charge batteries near water ,they do not mix.

            A final thought why not use a fan to help reduce heat , a pp9 and a simple rig should suffice ,save on buying extra batteries and use a used battery to drive a fan winkGood luck Michael

            #52313
            Dave Milbourn
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              @davemilbourn48782

              Mike
              Model in question is 1/72 scale i.e. about 12" long. Not a lot of room for standard equipment, let alone for additional cooling.

              John
              As Mike says, keep charging current below 'C' rate and you'll have no problems. For example, four 2200maH NiMH AA cells will last all day so there should be no need to fast-charge them. I charge mine overnight at C/10 and they barely get warm.

              Dave M

              #52319
              ashley needham
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                @ashleyneedham69188

                Is it worth mentioning that they WILL get warm once fully charged, and left on charge, as the excess charge is turned to heat?? Does not apply to clever auto charges of course. BUT my batts get reasonably warm with a clever charger, before it finishes.

                Ashley

                #52321
                Dave Milbourn
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                  @davemilbourn48782

                  NiMH batteries will increase in temperature while charging. This is part of the process and absolutely normal. The question was whether or not that temperature would be sufficient to distort or melt a styrene hull. I contend that if normal charging practices are used then there is little or no chance of that happening. If there is any doubt then the age-old method of trying it with a piece of scrap styrene sheet should answer the question.
                  DM

                  #52327
                  Malcolm Frary
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                    I have been charging NiCads and NiMH batteries inside my small Lindberg boats for over 20 years. Never a heating problem, but then I do charge at a low rate, lower than the 10 hour rate. Thinking about it, with modern higher capacity cells, probably nearer the 24 hour rate.

                    #52332
                    John Thornton 1
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                      @johnthornton1

                      Thanks for your replies, everyone.

                      The pack is a 6 cell, 2500mAh capacity, and my charger is a 1A delta peak. While some of my batteries get close to being too hot to hold, this pack only gets fairly warm.

                      As Dave states, space in the hull is at a premuim, especially as I want to add sound, smoke and maybe lights. I've carried out a test with a scrap bit of plastic as suggested, and there's no problem with distortion, let alone melting. For insurance, though, I'll build the battery tray from ply instead of plastic and add a thin layer of balsa between it and the hull.

                      I'm considering buying one of these: **LINK** when they arrive in the UK warehouse. It does lead acid as well as lipo, NiMH, etc. – just in case I decide to go large in the future. It would enable me to choose a charge rate anywhere between 0.1A – 6.0A, so I could drop down to a C/10 charge rate for NiMHs.

                      I'm looking forward to getting this model built – it's a nice little kit and, despite the diminutive size, it should have bags of character when on the water.

                      #52342
                      Dave Milbourn
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                        @davemilbourn48782

                        John

                        I have a brand new one of those Accucel 6 chargers with all leads and box sitting in my workshop doing nothing (since I treated myself to an X200). PM me if you're interested – and it won't be as much as the one from Hobby King. I think I even went onto the website and printed out the instructions, but there are several good videos on YouTube showing how to use it.
                        I would not use 6 cells in this model. That's 7.2v nominal (or as much as 9v fully charged) and will almost certainly blow up your receiver, speed controller, servo, main drive motor and pretty much anything else connected to it. You need just four AA cells (4.8v) mounted 2 x 2 along the bottom of the hull under the hatch. The prototype Puffer was fitted with all ACTion gear, because I designed it for the late Craig Talbot to show off his (then) new micro-sized speed controller, engine sound unit and dual switcher.

                        puffer13.jpg

                        The picture shows my prototype fitted with P68A ESC, P64A Puffer Steam Engine Sound with 35mm flat speaker, 2 x P69 Switchers (smoke, whistle and lights) and Hitec HS55 servo for steering. A Hitec 40MHz "Feather" Rx was used and the whole lot powered by four 1600 mAh AA NiMH cells. The electronics fitted onto a styrene platform with the battery pack directly underneath. No extra ballast was required.

                        Dave M

                        #52344
                        Armando Loni
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                          Interesting…… Here's my version:

                          **LINK**

                          I've been using a custom (Component Shop) 6-cell (AA type) 7.2V/2200mAh pack since I built the wee Puffer and have had no problems whatsoever regarding blowing components up. But I guess the ESC is taking care of that, what with BEC etc. It runs with the motor supplied by Model Slipway and nothing ever gets too warm. Runs for ages on that set-up.

                          A.

                          #52346
                          Dave Milbourn
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                            @davemilbourn48782

                            Nicely made, sir. I knew that some clever folk would take far more care with the detail and weathering than I did. It's a very pretty picture.
                            You're right in that the MTroniks 10A ESC will supply 5v to the receiver via its BEC, but I'm surprised that the solar motor doesn't overheat on 7.2v – it's only rated to 5v! I guess if you don't hold the stick at full throttle then it won't upset the motor too much. The set-up which I used runs everything unregulated at the voltage of the battery pack, hence limiting it to 4 cells.
                            DM

                            #52348
                            Armando Loni
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                              Thanks, Dave. You're right in that full throttle is definitely not required! Scale speed is achieved using the trim, only, set to maximum. The motor draws 0.35A at 7.2V, 0.15A at 3V and 0.11A at 2V (full ballast, tested in bath), with the 29mm plastic 3-blade prop. I used a fair bit of lead sheet in the hull to get it down to the waterline.

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