Triple-Screw Boat in River in Boston

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  • #126103
    Queequeg Quint
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      @queequegquint38270

      I originally shared this video in the Build Blog section, but since I’m no longer building it, I’m putting it here.

      It’s my triple screw boat that I designed a couple years ago. It’s running three MFA Como Drills 800 motors, turning three 55mm five-blade brass propellers, on a 12-volt NiMh battery pack with 8400mah. One MTroniks ESC operates the center motor, another MTroniks ESC operates the two outer motors. The center motor and the starboard motor turn counterclockwise as you face the stern of the boat (looking at it from behind the boat, that is). The port motor turns clockwise.

      When running all three motors, the turn radius is not too good. But when I deactivate the center motor, the turn radius is beautiful. Same if I operate only the center motor.  The boat has three rudders, one behind each propeller. I The rudders are so effective at keeping the boat in a straight line– they give the boat the appearance of riding on a submerged rail!

      Having a third propeller did not significantly increase my speed, but it does give me great authority at lower speeds. I truly love the uniqueness of having three propellers.

      The runtime is splendidly decent, probably over 40 minutes. That surprised me, because I thought the battery would drain quickly.

      I usually don’t drive this boat on an open river, but on this day, the river was unusually calm — except when an angry police boat drove by quickly to warn kayakers to get away from the fireworks launching site which had been set up for the Fourth of July here in the United States. His boat would create a huge wake! When he would create a big wake, I would send my triple screw boat out toward the middle of the river, and try to hit his waves going very slowly and at a slight angle.  Seems to work nicely everytime.

      #126104
      ashley needham
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        @ashleyneedham69188

        Hi Q. good video clip. your a braver man than me to operate on a large river!

        Boat going well, and having a bit of weight and oomph certainly pays dividends when using in the open water. good stuff.

        Ashley

        #126107
        Queequeg Quint
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          @queequegquint38270

          Thanks Ash,

          It’s quite a boat I’ve built, and I’m very grateful for this forum for all the information I learned about propulsion. The boat had ooomph for sure, even on this open river, but it did take on quite a good amount of water. It has no leaks, so I reckon it was from water splashing over the top of it.

          Now that’d I’ve done a triple-screw, I keep wondering if it’s time to build a quad-screw!

          #126108
          John W E
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            @johnwe

            hi there

            now that we have mastered and built a good seaworthy boat, by the looks of it, triple screw – you are thinking about quads.   Different ball game again – couple of ships I can think of to model would be, warship, passenger liner, or hows about a dog boat/rather large MTB – they had 4 screws.   Just remember that the two forward screws rotate in opposite directions to each other and the 2 rear screws rotate in the opposite direction to the forward screws – also think about the space for the motors.

            Couple of pics  – one of HMS Exeter setup and one of the dog boat.

            John006 [800x600]003 [800x600]7a091e264a4c4c30d55e16239b12d757

            #126109
            Richard Simpson
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              @richardsimpson88330

              Question John, why are the two outer motors Speed 600s and the two inner motors Speed 500s?

              #126110
              John W E
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                @johnwe

                hi there Richard,

                Answer 🙂 the photograph was taken whilst I was trialling a fit of the motors in the mounts in the hull, along with couplings & etc.   So, they were (at the time being) the motors that I had at hand – as they are both the same basic size for the screw mounts holding the motors.  Now there are 4 x 500’s in the hull of the finished model 🙂

                John

                #126111
                Richard Simpson
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                  @richardsimpson88330

                  There’s me thinking it was something deep and technical that I hadn’t come across before! Thanks John.

                  #126134
                  Queequeg Quint
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                    @queequegquint38270

                    My triple-screw boat was just involved in what we call a tug-of-war contest. This was not the most brilliant idea–  many things could have gone wrong very quickly. Fortunately, both boats survived, and here’s a video:

                     

                    #126135
                    Colin Bishop
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                      @colinbishop34627
                      #128403
                      Queequeg Quint
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                        @queequegquint38270

                        Just had another tug-of-war yesterday with my triple-screw boat. This time we had three rounds: the triple screw boat operating on one propeller in round one; two propellers in round two; all three propellers in round three.

                        The Dolphin: Three MFA Como 800 motors, direct-driving three 55mm 5-blade propellers.

                        The Ambassador: One MFA Como 850 motor, geared 2:1 with pulley system.  One HUGE 70mm 5-blade propeller.

                        Both on 12-volts NiMh.

                        #128442
                        ashley needham
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                          @ashleyneedham69188

                          Interesting Q.
                          <p style=”text-align: left;”>I think having a much longer tow rope might make a difference, as the froth being created must be causing cavitation due to the close proximity of the sterns…benefitting one boat more than the other??</p>
                          Ashley

                          #128466
                          Queequeg Quint
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                            @queequegquint38270

                            That’s a good idea, Ashley. With the Dolphin running only two propellers, I thought the Ambassador would’ve been able to hold its own. I expected a veritable tie between the two boats. Perhaps all the froth caused the mighty Ambassador to lose its grip in the water. I shall try this again with a longer rope!

                            #128470
                            Richard Simpson
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                              @richardsimpson88330

                              Very interesting point Ashley.  I think there is also a possibility that the two flows of water could be ‘interfering’ with each other possibly to the detriment of one more than the other, which could lead to an unfair advantage.

                              Then we should maybe raise the concern of having a longer piece of string that has all the possibilities of getting wrapped around one or the other back ends, which could be damaging.  How about a nice fine long rod of say wood, plastic or carbon fibre, attached with a piece of string at either end to give the flexibility?  Just a thought.

                              #128473
                              Colin Bishop
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                                @colinbishop34627

                                Or just stick the two boats together bow to bow and see which way the composite craft goes!

                                Colin

                                #128476
                                Richard Simpson
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                                  @richardsimpson88330
                                  On Colin Bishop Said:

                                  Or just stick the two boats together bow to bow and see which way the composite craft goes!

                                  Colin

                                  🙂

                                  Even better!

                                  #128500
                                  Len Morris 2
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                                    @lenmorris2

                                    Intriguing!  When I worked in the states for the engine division of Caterpillar I went on many river boat tug acceptance trials.  For the pull test the tug was moored to bank via a massive spring balance.  The same method could easily be scaled down for model boats giving quantitative data.

                                    Len. 🙂

                                    #128503
                                    Colin Bishop
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                                      @colinbishop34627

                                      I think that is what is referred to as a ‘bollard’ test.

                                      Colin

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