New member needs help

[Dazz JohnsParticipant @dazzjohns41958]

Hi,mt name is Darren and i am new to this forum,Being a keen fisherman i recently downloaded some plans to build what we call a bait boat,it’s a boat designed to carry bait out to the place your hookbaits lay however i dont have a clue what motors,props ect to use for this project,i am on a budget too so anyone with some ideas would be much appreciated,site looks great btw.

[The ReverandParticipant @thereverand]

Hello Dazz,i too am new to this site,and to boat building.

So hello to all.

I am also building a bait boat,and a speedboat at the same time,so was hoping to get some info on the same lines as you.

dave.

[JC Uknz 1Participant @jcuknz1]

In what conditions does this bait-boat have to operate ….I thought these craft were pretty basic and with a small sail were used when there was an offshore wind,

Do they have to work their way through breaking surf? even six inch waves would be a problem for a small model.  I would think that waves would knock them off course very easilly and some way of controlling them would be essential.  With two lines attached to each side of a wide stern might work by holding one line so the central prop pushes the bow around back on course.  How do you dump the bait when the boat gets there?

Tell us more I’m intrigued   Nothing like a working model rather than sailing around in circles on a pond

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

You`ve misunderstood there old chap!

The two fishermen need a little boat with a remotely moveable hatch in the hull to allow the maggots to fall into the water!

All I can say is that they are available ready made in some fishing tackle shops!

If you fancy making one…………I would use a simple hull with a hinged ramp that would lift up and simply tip the stuff…………….over the side!

[The ReverandParticipant @thereverand]

Its True Bob they are available in shops,some quite cheap but basic too.

But building your own boat ,to your own specs really interests me.

I can add lots of different functions only found on expensive boats(£600.00)or more, like depth finders.

I even have a remote pinhole camera to fit on the bow,when i lose sight of it,say under some trees.

Probably a bit ambitious for one of my first ever boats to build

Ive got to admit I’m really exited with this one.

They are normally used on inshore lakes JC,not really used if its too rough.

[JC Uknz 1Participant @jcuknz1]

After a good nights sleep I realise that the dumping mechanism could be quite easy with a modification of the principle yachties use to control their sails … a ‘long’ arm on a servo to tip the platform or sweep the little creatures into the water.

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

You could use a SAIL ARM SERVO which rotates about 60 degrees with a bait tray on the end?

[The ReverandParticipant @thereverand]

I have built the hull and left a square opening in the centre,which i was hoping to mechanically open doors,or door to drop the bait.

Like the flying sub bay on voyage to the bottom of the sea,does anyone remember that tv program,and the flying sub bay at the bottom of the sub?

i haven’t the foggiest what part i would need to activate the doors,would that sail arm servo work Bob?

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Here`s a simple idea……………….have a hole in the centre of the hull……..but have a high wall round it to keep the water out……….and tip the bait over the wall!

[JC Uknz 1Participant @jcuknz1]

So long as the floor to the holding area is sloped* the bait should slide down and out into the water if they are heavier than water [don’t float]  The servo arm would push the trapdoor down.

But perhaps that is too sophisticated and a spring loaded trapdoor with a catch and with a string back to shore releases the trap and after a short while you haul the craft back to shore.  No servos just a motor to send it out ‘to sea’.     We sometimes can get too clever when there is a simple solution open to us.  The catch would need to be strong enough to cope with the drag of the line through the water and need a ‘good’ pull to slip the catch.

*As a model railway guy I’m thinking of ballast trucks and other bulk cargo wagons.gondolas which have the goods poured in at the top and let out through a trap[s] in the bottom.

[ManxmanParticipant @manxman]

Hi  Dazz,

I’ve seen the ones you mentioned for sale, you could take their idea of a tipping rear bucket a step further.  They use a small elastic band to tip the bucket once the servo has released it, you could split this bucket into two – giving you two shots of dropping bait.  The bucket could be made from 2" plastic pipe cut horizontally, ends sealed with a little plastic card and hook for the band built into the card ends.

Also thought about your central drop zone – have to make sure your boat has stopped before dropping bait – if you were moving during the drop – bait could end up ‘processed’ by the prop !

Cheers – Ken

[The ReverandParticipant @thereverand]

Do you guys lose sleep when your building a new model,i couldn’t sleep last night thinking of ideas.Anyway a bucket tipping sounds good,and plastic pipe sounds like the way to go Ken.

My daughter says she will draw some ideas using pipe.

I took some photo’s last night but coudn’t figure out how to show them,to give you a better idea of how far iv’e got.Great information so far,I’m well pleased i joined this site.

[Dazz JohnsParticipant @dazzjohns41958]

Hi,i have read all the replies to my bait boat idea and i thankyou all for your input,i know its probably a strange field for alot of you,the boat would be used in lakes not the ocean so it wouldnt have to withstand crashing waves thank god lol,as for the bait this is totally different to a pint of maggots,they are used to drop what us carp anglers call "Boilies"usually around 12mm each bait but can go upto 20mm so it needs to be reasonable strong to carry a kilo of bait aswell as your tackle because if you cant get your hook where the fish are its sometimes easier to put the hook bait and weights on the boat and set rell to free spin and let the boat drop the bait and your tackle where you want it.i have made a few mods to the plans i have,i hull they show in the plans is made from 6mm ply but i have used the hull as a mould and created a fiberglass hull,the boat also needs to be balanced as it needs to sit stable in water with and without bait so judging a kilo of bait and the r/c gear could be tricky,there is quite alot to take into consideration,i could go buy one but like someone said earlier but its nice to add your own little modifications like fish/depth finders,i have built r/c cars in the past as i was member of a racing team and use to race regular many moons ago but as far as boat running gear i really wouldnt have a clue,i was hoping to run a twin electric motor system but wouldnt have a clue where to start,i will enclose some pictures of the design i have decided to go with shortly and that way if any of you see any errors maybe you would advise me otherwise.

[JC Uknz 1Participant @jcuknz1]

Propellors do not have to be at the back of the boat, nor do they have to be propellors but I read awhile back of experiments with 1:1 scale boats for the prop to be up front and pull the boat through the water .. supposedly more efficient system and would protect the bait going overboard.

Else, but I don’t know about the efficiency of this, you can buy windscreeen water pumps and make you own jet boat which wouldn’t cut the bait.  I have seen suggested, and aim to fit to my Tyne when it gets built, as bow thrusters …

Electronics and water don’t mix so it seems to me there are considerable advantages of a tethered and simple system not advancing too much from the old way of doing it.

[The ReverandParticipant @thereverand]

To move over lilies and plough through weed without getting the prop caught up its best to try jet drives,i got mine this morning and got it working just.

Think its going to work just fine.

Theres no workings under the boat at all to catch up.

[Dazz JohnsParticipant @dazzjohns41958]

That sounds cool dave,where did ya locate the jet drives then?i cant find any anywhere,i guess im just looking in the wrong places lol.

[The ReverandParticipant @thereverand]

The shop is calledWestbourne Models here Dazz,hope i get this right http://www.westbourne-models.com/erol.html#2377X0

[The ReverandParticipant @thereverand]

I fitted the drive 2349 i hope its got enough power though cause the others were mighty expensive.

i’ll have to give it a try in water and let you know.

[The ReverandParticipant @thereverand]

Heres another link to Angling technics baitboats Dazz,http://www.anglingtechnics.co.uk/the g.p.s system looks good,so you can drop the bait on the same spot every time,but the price is shocking.

just click on order

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Too techi for me Sunshine!

[The ReverandParticipant @thereverand]

I love my gadgits me

[Dazz JohnsParticipant @dazzjohns41958]

Thats great dave,how many are you fitting to yours then?surely 2 would get it across the water would it not?

[The ReverandParticipant @thereverand]

Just one,if its too slow i will have to do some major refitting,not sure how you would steer the boat with two.

Probably glue the steering tubes straight.

Although bait boats don’t have to be fast.

[Len OchiltreeParticipant @lenochiltree67043]

Hi guys,

Just sticking in my two pennorth,an Air boat has no moving parts under water, maybe this could be adapted?, see my Airboat on my Gallery, its an own design and using up the workings of a plane that I cant fly!, a square hull, you cant get much more basic.

Len,                        

[Bob Abell 2Participant @bobabell2]

Now then!!!……You`ve not thought of a HOVERCRAFT!……boom! boom!

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