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  • #55580
    Barry Sharpe
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      @barrysharpe65041

      Hi My name is Barry i am new to modelling, after reading some threads here. i have just purchased the boat recommended in your thread located at the URL below

      **LINK**

      After talking to a very helpful gentlemen (Richard) at Jotika or at least the place that is linked in above thread i have not figured out the relationship with "Ship Wright Shop" still after the conversation i am suitably satisfied everything is legit. Anyway, it was recommended i download the pdf manual for the HM Schooner Pickle to compliment my purchase and to provide me with a great deal more information about how to build my purchase. The first thing i note is the long list of tools, and consumables so to save me from a very early divorce, on a hobby that’s bound to throw its fair share of challenges in that direction anyway. I need to spread the cost of those tools and consumables out over a few months. With this in mind is there a list or resource or perhaps someone’s knowledge that could provide me with a general steer about which tools to prioritise early and which ones could wait a bit or even be substituted with cheaper alternatives whilst I build my skills and model?

      Thanks in advance

      Barry

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      #2465
      Barry Sharpe
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        @barrysharpe65041
        #55582
        Bob Abell 2
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          @bobabell2

          Hello Barry

          What kit have you actually bought?

          For building small static models, you won`t really need many tools, especially since you are building from a kit

          I would suggest…..A couple of model knives, Make a few sanding blocks yourself, Small pliers,Tweezers, A dozen small plastic clamps, Bottle of PVA glue, Small vice etc

          When you make a start, you`ll soon realise what tools you need

          My advice is to take your time, work accurately and neatly

          Post a few pictures of your progress. please?

          Bob

          #55583
          Barry Sharpe
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            @barrysharpe65041

            Thanks for the quick response Bob i brought the HMS Sherbourne from Jotika's Nelson's Navy range

            #55584
            Bob Abell 2
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              @bobabell2

              Hello Barry

              It may be a small model, but it will be a challenge!

              It is essential to work slowly and precisely with this type of model

              Planking is not difficult, but needs to be neat and tidy

              If it`s any help, I `ll post my galleon thread and you`ll see what you are up against

              **LINK**

              Bob

              #55605
              Barry Sharpe
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                @barrysharpe65041

                I did take a look at the thread bob the magazines aim those boats at the beginners, looking at the hoops you had to go through i suspect many beginners would fail that task myself included as a first build. i do hope mine is not going to be as tough as that! The instructions for the pickle look very extensive, i will post up a thread as i go through the build i would be really happy if members will take a look at it and fed back any tips, the model kit arrives on Monday,

                i find i am getting quiet excited…

                Barry

                #55615
                Colin Bishop
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                  @colinbishop34627

                  Barry,

                  As you say, the Sherbourne is intended for the newcomer and you should not find it too difficult to make a good job of her. Just take things one step at a time and if you are flummoxed by any of the instructions then ask on here and I'm sure someone will be able to help.

                  We are intending to publish an article on basic tools for boat modelmakers but it is not due for publication until around late April/early May.

                  Colin

                  Edited By Colin Bishop, Website Editor on 31/01/2015 12:49:58

                  #55623
                  Francis Macnaughton
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                    @francismacnaughton39461

                    The extracts from George Bandurek's book on the model may also be of interest:

                    **LINK**

                    #55637
                    Barry Sharpe
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                      @barrysharpe65041

                      Colin thanks i brought a copy of the magazine today so far i am enjoying the read, i will look forward to the April / May edition as i i am not so sure i will be to far along with the model by then.

                      Francis that's an excellent resource thank you one of the replys to the article by Tkay11 has an almost step by step build of the Sherbourne inclusive of some difficult areas **LINK**

                      #55656
                      Banjoman
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                        @banjoman

                         

                        Hello Barry,

                        I'm sure you will find HMS Sherbourne an excellent choice! When I returned to the hobby myself, eight years ago, I too went with one of the smaller JoTiKa kits (HMS Pickle in my case), and found this to be just the right level of difficulty, i.e. a nice challenge but nothing insurmountable or so hard it became discouraging.

                        Bye-the-by, as far as I've understood things, The Shipwright Shop is simply the name of JoTiKa/Caldercraft's web shop, no more, no less, so you should have no problems shopping from them through that outlet; you will also find most of what they sell in many of the other model boat web shops, such as Cornwall Model Boats, The Model Dockyard etc. etc.

                        Based on my experience of builing HMS Pickle, I can also heartilly recommend JoTiKa's "Admiralty" series of paints for this kind of build! Their Admiralty PVA glue is also quite good (although there are many equally good and possibly better alternatives available). Their CA glues are also quite good as such, but unfortunately they come in, to my mind, rather less good bottles of the round variety – personally I much prefer the flatter type of CA glue bottle used by for example Zap, Roket et al.

                        Something which you might find helpful when planking the hull is the collection of articles and how-to-guides on this subject at the Model Ship World site: **LINK**

                        As for your question about tools, here's my tuppen'orth on the subject:

                        1. Basic and essential tools

                        • A sharp knife! Personally I much prefer a Swann-Morton scalpel to the X-acto type hobby knife. The scalpel handles (I like the #3 handle) aren't all that expensive, and I would suggest getting two or three so that you can have different types of blade ready to hand. The blades I use by far the most are the straight edged #10A, and the small curved #15. If you get such a scalpel, please read the instructions on how to change blades ("always use pliers, never use your fingers", as these blades are sharp as the dickens.
                        • A stronger carpet knife or similar; for my part I rather like the one made by Swann-Morton, but there are many varieties available. You will find such a knife quite handy for getting plywood or thicker wood parts off off the laser cut sheets.
                        • A pair of rigghing thread snippers, i.e. a small, very sharp pair of springloaded scissors.
                        • A pin vice (or two) and a set of small drill bits. Most pin vices will take bits from 0.3 mm upp until around 2.8 or 3.2 mm. Get several extras in the smaller diameters, as they easily break.
                        • Some tweezers. The ones I use the most are the straight round-edged 2A, the straight pointed and the curved pointed. Over time I have acquired several sets, including the marvelous but expensive Swiss Rubis brand ones (the orange ones in the photo) thatare unbeatable for the most delicate jobs, while I have some more workaday (but still decent quality) ones for dirtier or less finicky jobs.
                        • A set of small flat pliers, a regular set of combination pliers/cutters and a set of flat-edge cutters. The latter are not really essential, and a pair of good quality ones like the yellow-handled Lindström ones in the photo, are rather expensive. However, the fact that they allow you to cut finer brass and copper wire with a perfectly flat edge on one side of the cut can save a lot of work in the long run, as it means that there is hardly any cleaning up of the cut needed.
                        • Various clamps (G-clamps, plastic spring-loaded clamps, forceps, rubber bands, clothes pins etc. etc.) to hold parts together while glue sets.
                        • Sanding materials: wet-and-dry paper in various grades (I usually have 100, 220, 320, 400 and 600 grit to hand). By glueing such paper to sticks, plywood offcuts etc., you can easilly and cheaply make your own sanding blocks, too. Another handy sanding item is throw-away nail files.

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                        (to be continued in the next post)

                         

                        Edited By Banjoman on 01/02/2015 17:09:30

                        Edited By Banjoman on 01/02/2015 17:10:14

                        #55657
                        Banjoman
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                          @banjoman

                          2. More basics and essentials, and some very useful but not quite so essential tools

                          • A steel ruler (or two): I have found extensive use for the 12 inch and the 6 inch ones shown in the photo below.
                          • Some paint brushes in different sizes and qualities. Genuine sable is in my view pretty much unbeatable, and if taken proper care of will last very very long. However, less expensive synthetics have their definite uses, and I also usually keep some really cheap kiddie watercolor brushes for brushing on e.g. diluted PVA glue or other stuff that I might fear could harm my more expensive brushes.
                          • Needle files in different grades and/or sizes. You can find quite inexepnsive sets of such files, or you can buy higher quality but rather more expensive ones one at a time. The three shapes I use the most are flat, round and triangular. There are also loose handles available for such files, although personally I seldom use these as I find that I get a good enough grip on the file shaft itself.
                          • Broaches and reamers for enlarging and/or cleaning up holes.
                          • Razor saws and mitre box. Very useful for cutting strip wood to the right length at correct angles. The flush saw is very handy for cutting off things flush with a surface – as the saw has no back ridge, it is flexible and can (within reason) be pushed flat against a surface.
                          • Miniature razor blade saw and fitting mitre box. For really fine precision saw work. Gives a finer cut than the razor saws.
                          • Reverse action (i.e. be defalut closed and opens when pressed) tweezers are often useful for holding small bits and pieces.
                          • Small try squares, set squares and miniature spirit levels are very useful for making sure that thinbgs that must be glued square are glued square; however, they're not really essential.

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                          3. Non-essential but very useful hand tools

                          • Vernier calipers (analogue or digital) and/or a micrometer.
                          • Small luthier's plane.
                          • Precision digital scales: absolutely non-essential, but extremely useful for mixing paints to exact proportions and likewise for mixing expoxies and other two part stuff to equally exact mesure.
                          • A small machine vice.
                          • A pair of small goldsmith scissors for cutting thinner sheet metals.
                          • Spatulas for applying filler etc.
                          • Miniature chisels.
                          • Hole punches.
                          • Side cutters.

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                          4. The one (almost) essential machine tool

                          A Dremel or similar (Proxxon, RotaTool, etc,. etc.) rotary electric multitool is not really essential, because you can go quite a long way without one; however, it is very very handy and useful indeed, and if one gets a suitable stand as well, it can become a small drill press too. If you are going to invest in small power tools, such a rotary multitool should, I think, be top of the list.

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                          5. Absolutely non-essential but very nice to have power and other tools

                          • A soldering iron or (better but, alas!, much more expensive) a soldering station.
                          • A creme brulé type gas burner.
                          • Airbrush equipment.
                          • An ultrasonic cleaner.
                          • A good half-mask breathing protection.

                          tools5.jpg

                          The list can of course be made much, much longer, particularly on the power tool side, but for the job you are planning to undertake right now with HMS Sherbourne, I think you will find all the essentials under points 1 and 2 above.

                          I also think that you are taking the right approach by planning to buy your tools gradually and as you find that yiu need them. Should you come across a problem in your build that you feel you cannot really solve with what you already have, I'm sure you a simple description of the problem here on the forum will find plenty of ready advice on what tools and techniques might be of particular help.

                          Here's wishing you the best of luck and fun a-plenty!

                          /Mattias

                          Edited By Banjoman on 01/02/2015 17:10:38

                          #55660
                          ashley needham
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                            @ashleyneedham69188

                            I would put a small bandsaw on the list of essentials for myself,

                            HOWEVER, we have a had several "what tools" threads before and everyone works differently.

                            The only other tool I would add is a snap-off blade knife (18mm size blade) as a nice sharp point and cutting edge is always required for balsa etc . Scalpels are fantastic but not for long.

                            I think Mattias is obviously very rich and talented to have this many hand tools and may only be rivalled by Dave M, who can afford a luxury heated well lit workshop with a button on the wall to call for tea.

                            I have to make do with a lean-to and tarpaulin cover sob sob

                            Ashley

                            #55661
                            Dave Milbourn
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                              @davemilbourn48782

                              I've been collecting tools over 50 years of modelling and there's some here that I don't have. My only advice would be not to buy according only to the price. I've lost count of the times I've done that and been disappointed. Cheap files and drill bits are especially tempting, as are cheap taps and dies. DON'T!!

                              Dave M

                              #55666
                              CookieOld
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                                @cookieold

                                Hi Barry , I echo what Dave say,s you must never buy cheap drills / taps / dies because they are only high carbon steel ( only a little harder than mind steel ) they are only any good for cleaning threads out . Always buy HSS cutters ( high speed steel ) they will last you for ever.

                                Dave

                                #55673
                                Barry Sharpe
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                                  @barrysharpe65041

                                  Wow !

                                  Thanks for that reply Mattias very comprehensive and very useful, I shall consult that list for a while to come. I would like to thank all response everyone is and has been very helpful, I should get the model today I am at work however, so will do no more than open the box when I get home and pull out the instructions, i shall read these in conjunction with all the other information I now have and start to put together my first tentative steps. I will create a thread in the Building kits section, that will detail my progress and any questions I have.

                                   

                                  Thanks

                                  Barry

                                  Edited By Barry Sharpe on 02/02/2015 09:03:53

                                  #55675
                                  Dave Milbourn
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                                    @davemilbourn48782

                                    Barry

                                    One tool which I haven't see mentioned is a Permagrit sanding block. This is coarse on one side and fine on the other. It is exactly 90° on each corner so you can sand perfectly square edges with it if you hold both the workpiece and the block down flat as you sand, or use in conjunction with a simple shooting board. The sanding blocks are available in several lengths. I treat myself to a new one every other year!

                                    **LINK**

                                    Dave M

                                    #55676
                                    Kimosubby Shipyards
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                                      @kimosubbyshipyards

                                      Hi Barry, I have been modelling for 20+ years [45+ models] and I don't think I have all that Mattias has shown.

                                      My first build was the Viking ship from Billings, everything had to be cut out as there were no laser cut parts then. At least the wood sheet was printed with the plank shape (with 1mm thick lines!) My first tool was a small saw with two blades, I still have it and use it even now after 20years. At some point I got a table edge vice, ruler and a pin pusher for setting small nails into wood. A set of small files and sand paper also needed. That was it, I assume glue is a must, but not a tool. A plastic set square from a stationers (though a corner of paper is square) to set up the ribs.

                                      My next build was a Bounty, and my tools expanded to include tweezers, scissors, scalpel with various blades (because they were there I thought I needed all different shapes) but now only ever use 10A blades. Another exacto saw with 3 blades, small archimedes drill and set of small drill bits. Pliers were handy but then what DIY man doesn't already have some. I've only just last year got round nose pliers for bending wire, for instance. The model was built.

                                      You are starting with a kit, so almost all the major parts will be cut for you. AND, not seen it yet, you'll need a building board as long as the model to set up the basic ribs etc for squareness. Any piece of flat wood big enough to take the length and width of the boat, melamine shelf for example, so long as it is flat and level.

                                      The big stiff was only ever thought of when I started scratch building, and then only as second hand stuff till I found I could use it. A pillar drill and dremmel, small motor craft lathe as I wanted to turn some spars etc. Only added things as I went along. There is no absolute kit, when you find a need for a tool then get one. Its the old adage, you buy a tool and then find you never use it. There are, as DM points out, some totally useless items around, cheap and nasty. For example, I do a lot of period ships and rigging. There is a rig sold for tying ratlines off the model and then you offer up your creation to the mast – my opinion – its useless.

                                      I now have two band saws, two pillar drills and two table saws plus a router and a drills and reading lamps, magnifiers etc etc etc. I made a paint spraying booth,I have airbrushes. The list is endless, just buy when the need arises, but then only after you've looked around and asked what seems to be best for the job wanted.

                                      Good luck with the build, I have Jotika's HMS Snake on the building board (started over 3 years ago), first planking almost completed. I always have several builds ongoing together, stops me getting bored with the one. And before that discussion starts, yes, do the two layers of planking. The first will be your first so experiment to get it nearly right. The second layer will then become much easier. This layer shows, so make it good.

                                      I'll keep abreast of your build, at least there are some very good build threads for your model out there, but most of all, enjoy the experience and don't rush!

                                      Aye, Kim

                                      #55681
                                      mike farrell
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                                        @mikefarrell21522

                                        Well explaine Kim ,as good as anyone can explain .I have built models (dolls house ,furniture scale model houses planes ) as and when I could afford them .Bought the best I could afford and they have stood the test of time

                                        Good luck with your build and most important ENJOYwinkMichael

                                        #55700
                                        Barry Sharpe
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                                          @barrysharpe65041

                                          Yes, i am going to build up my tools slowly, and refer to this thread when i need them. Fortunately for me the experience on this forum is immense so in general a good call I asked here. I shall post the first log of my build in the other forum and start my journey of discovery.

                                          Thanks everyone..

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