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Old sailing vessel, need help identifying type, rig, scale etc.

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John Gundersen03/09/2021 15:39:10
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Hi all, new to this forum so hope someone can help me.

I have gotten this sailing vessel from my dad to possably restore.

Would be happy for any help in identifying a similar vessel to use as a guide moving forward.

Help with type of vessel, type of rigging, rudder shape, any typical deck arrangements.

To the best of my knowlage this has been a childs toy and have been used as it many years ago(last time in the 1950).It has a lead keel and marks from copper weights also.

Is is probably buildt from between the 1870 to 1910, maby in the uk. It is 1,2m long and got 2 mast and 1 boom(i think) . Do not think the 3 mast hole has ever been used. Aft deck is missing and has probably covered the aft and 3rd mast hole.

Any info or sugestions are welcome.

Link to photos:




Edited By Colin Bishop on 04/09/2021 15:41:24

Colin Bishop04/09/2021 15:43:01
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The link doesn't seem to work John.


John Gundersen04/09/2021 16:05:57
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Hi Colin.

Let try this one: Skute - Google Photos

It is a shared google photos album.


Colin Bishop04/09/2021 16:19:59
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That is certainly an interesting looking hull.


Paul T04/09/2021 16:28:43
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With the three masts it could be a clipper

Colin Bishop04/09/2021 18:24:31
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It is too beamy Paul, more like a coastal trader I think.

A photo of the underwater hull would be useful to see how deep it is and the keel arrangement.


Malcolm Frary04/09/2021 20:21:01
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While it might be beamy for a particular clipper, there might be some useful stuff here -

In all probability, there was a 3rd mast. Also a considerable bowsprit. The rudder would have been a tall, narrow and with parallel sides. Not really used for steering as much as for trimming direction once that had been determined by use of the sails after much shouting by the sail master and a lot of sweating by the crew. This aspect of the days of sail rarely makes it to the movies.

John Gundersen05/09/2021 20:25:32
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Thanks for the info. Looks very similar.

I have added some more photos in the album. The hull out of the cradle.

The green/red keel is a sheet of lead folded arroud keel.

Could it have been rigged as a 2 masted Scooner? there is 4 secureing points (dont know the english term for it as i am norwegian) for the masts on each side, none for the aft and 3rd mast? the clipper has 8-10 as far as i can tell.

I have not removed the deck yet but i think the hull is carved from one-piece log. The curve/barrel back shape at the stern follow the rings in the wood. Could this be a practical featrure for the carver that made it, not to copy a vessel type?

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