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HMS Queen Elizabeth

Arrival at Portsmouth 16 August 2017

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David Wooley17/08/2017 20:11:40
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img_1896.jpgHi Paul and Ashley Looking at the size of QE it's not that much smaller than the Nimitz class of US carriers . Keeping that in mind it reminds me of the 1:144 scale carriers built by Paul Bannon and how he has solved some of the issues raised here regarding a working model of the QE.

1 For transport Paul Bannon has divided his hull of just under 7ft into two manageable sections which can be transported in specially constructed cradles that slot into the rear of his vehicle with room to spare.

2 For lifting his USS Harry S Truman Paul uses the simple but effective expedient of a small aluminium ladder

For a single piece hull then even the relatively small scale of 1:144 can become a transport problem .Perhaps 1:192 would be more suitable giving a model of around 5ft in length a size Ashly made mention of. Of course that still leaves the problem of modellers draughts . The underwater detail is partly known as there are plenty of pictures out there on the net but it's refining those pictures to give a suitable hull form that a model make can interpret .

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ashley needham18/08/2017 08:36:03
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David. That is an impressive model. Even more impressive is the support engineering that goes with it!!

​There is a third aspect to all this and that is storage. The Harry S is demonstrably transportable, but the footprint of this model in the shed/garage is considerable, and one assumes he has a hard top cover for storage (not used for transportation).

​It is a shame that, once the island(s) and plug in aircraft have been removed, the ship could not fold in half like a pasting table ....

​If you have a large model, you just have to have a lot of space to put it somewhere!

Ashley


Tony Hadley18/08/2017 10:19:05
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David,

Returning back to the small scale HMS Queen Elizabeth, I had a look in the digital archive at you article and it was in the February 2014 issue. Always good to see your Telford reports, I sometimes like a change and build a plastic (static) kit. In our NW region the IPMS are in Bolton and have a show in the winter months, although I doubt ships/boats will be well represented. Had Airfix launched a model it would have solved some of the problems in building an r/c version, just up-scale the kit.

Must say I changed the subscription to print+digital to allow access to past magazines (for reading such as this), how many times have I wished I had kept that issue! and it still works out cheaper than the WHS/Newsagents price.

David Wooley18/08/2017 10:48:27
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Ashely

From past experience your comments regarding the practicalities of storage of large models is spot on . The other major difficulty in building any model over 5ft is the complication of turning the model through 190 if like me your model ship building facility is a small 8x4 shed at the bottom of the garden with most of the airbrushings undertaken out of doors on a very calm day , which is no bad thing .

Tony

I completely endorse what you say regards the use of a small scale injection model to build a larger scale replica . This I did to some extent when I built the Soviet helicopter carrier Moskva . Although I had a very basic set of modellers draughts and some excellent photos of the full size vessel the old 1:350 Airfix model was a big asset .

Dave Milbourn18/08/2017 11:20:16
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One of our customers from the west country had a similar problem when his model railway layout began to threaten his existence................so he bought the bungalow next door for it! I seem to recall he told me that there are regular coach parties coming to view this layout. I can't remember the chap's name but I think he was a member of the Shepton Mallet MBC.
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Colin Bishop20/12/2017 16:32:42
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QE at Portsmouth today 20/12/17. Looks huge compared with the smaller carriers that used to berth there.

Lot of media hype recently about the notorious leak but do the maths and it is roughly the same as leaving a bathroom tap running!

Colin

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ashley needham20/12/2017 16:49:14
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For something as complicated as a vessel this big it obvious that there will be issues to be fixed. They just like to big-up any sort of issues for sensationalism.

​I could never understand how steam locomotives could run as reliably as they do considering the huge amount of piping and large moving bits of metal involved, not to mention all that heat

Ashley

Paul T21/12/2017 12:43:21
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Due to government cuts the quality and quantity of close in defensive armaments have been drastically reduced.qe december 2017 (1).jpg

Tim Cooper11/01/2018 09:11:28
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Not sure if it's true but I read that our latest (or is it only) Aircraft Carrier can have 30+ planes but will only have 12 because of budget constraints!

Tim

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Colin Bishop11/01/2018 11:06:41
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Tim, Queen Elizabeth is one of two, the other is Prince of Wales which is still completeing. The design accommodates about 36 F35B strike aircraft plus some helicopters but the UK can't afford to buy them all at once so yes, there are only likely to be a dozen or so aboard initially.

The ships could have been built for far less than the cost currently being quoted if it were not for the constant political indescisiveness and deliberately extended construction period.

I suspect they will actually turn out to be effective designs, they displace around three time the tonnage of the old Invincible cllass but need ony the same crew level. They are also big enough to be upgraded and improved which should give them a long service life. Until the Type 45 destroyers were built the RN had been plagued with designs which were 'just big enough' and incapable of major upgrades which meant that they either became obsolescent too soon or were disposed of after a relatively short period.

Unfortunately the Government are now reverting to form, having learnt nothing, and descided they can't afford a full complement of Type 26 frigates so are replacing them with the proposed Type 31 which will be designed down to a price rather than to a specification and with an eye to foreign sales. Quite why they believe that second class ships will attract large foreign orders is beyond my understanding. We shall probably just end up with oversized and overpriced ocean patrol vessels which are too big for the lesser role and too small to deputise for first line ships.

Hopeless!

Colin

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