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ashley needham30/10/2015 07:54:45
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Boaters; As a Leaving present the chaps at (ex) work have purchased for me a Mantua Victory kit, which is very nice and not that cheap although I believe they got it for a very good price.

There seems to be an awful lot of parts to it. I have not done plank on frame before....gulp!

They will be wanting copious pictorial updates as well, so cant leave it in a cupboard.

Ah well, it will be dark and cold outside soon so perhaps this may be a good thing to have. Shame I wont be able to sail it.


Bob Abell30/10/2015 10:03:14
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Congrats on your retirement, Ashley..........But not too impressed with the pressy, although your workmates would have had the best intentions!

No need to remind you of the frustration I had with my Sov of the Seas!

It was great fun for the first two or three months..........Then life became a bore, when the planking started!

I didn`t like the bamboo planking material and being only 1mm thick, they left no scope for sanding to perfection

Although, the hull had two planking layers

I would keep it unopened and simply admire the contents?


ashley needham31/10/2015 08:52:56
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Seems to be single planked. Planks appear to be wood rather than bamboo, although I have only had a quick glance.The laser cut parts are extremely finely cut. I shall need a keel holder, or I may simply make one with a couple of bits of angle iron. Not starting it yet in any event.


Colin Bishop31/10/2015 10:33:13
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Don't worry about the planking Ashley, all the gaps will be concealed once the hardboard goes on over the top!

Actually, If you don't feel like starting it yet then don't. Retiring is like getting off a train. You head off out of the station into the great wide world and pastures new but the train with your former colleagues just carries on without you and the further down the line it gets the less they will remember you.

In three months time most of them will barely recall that they gave you a Victory kit and none of them will be interested in whether you have built it or not. In a year to eighteen months they will barely recall who you were. Cruel but true; but you are no longer on the train and thus irrelevant to their day to day concerns.

I still meet up with former colleagues but they either got off at the same station as I did or one just up the line. We rarely talk about our former work environment, just about what we are doing now and of course our respective ailments! Our old workplace might as well be on another continent and those who inhabit it mysterious foreigners.

So just do what you want to do, you don't owe any obligations to them now, you've left it all behind, even it if doesn't quite feel like it yet!


Dave Milbourn31/10/2015 11:49:25
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In my experience Colin is absolutely right. That your workmates bought you a static scale kit - instead of finding out a little bit more about what sort of toy boats you play with - says that they probably didn't give it much thought. HMS Victory is a choice of subject which also indicates a lack of imagination/research.

I'd suggest you sell it untouched for what you can get and buy something you really want or need with the proceeds i.e. the item you'd have told them you'd like if they'd bothered to ask. It's only a slightly longer way round to ending up with something you can remember them by.

Me? I made it known in no uncertain terms when I retired that I wanted nothing to remind me of 31 years' public service except my pension and lump sum. A few pints and a natter every Friday with old colleague Dave B does me fine!

Dave M

Paul T01/11/2015 14:22:39
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Hello Ashley

Before you jump off the bridge you should know that not everyone has such jaundiced views on retirement.

I think that your friends clubbing together to buy you the gift was a nice gesture and shows that you were appreciated not only as a work colleague (which normally warrants a gold watch) but as a friend, its true that they might not appreciate the difference between a static or sailing kit but that really doesn't matter, What does matter is that they thought enough about you to spend quite a chunk of cash on a gift that would actually mean something to you.

When I finished a particularly difficult construction project in Liverpool the labourers clubbed together to buy me a kit of the USS Constitution, I had no idea that they even knew about my hobby or cared enough to buy the gift. It didn't matter that it was a static plastic kit as the gesture itself meant far more than the gift.

To use Colin's analogy of a rail journey I can attest that, being in the construction industry, I have been on and got off more 'trains' than most people and yet I still find former friends and workmates popping up at some out of the way station and greeting me with warmth or waving at me from the main line as they speed past on the way to their next project.

Winter is an excellent time to build a plank on frame and when complete you will always have a reminder of your 'busy' days and now you have the halcyon days of retirement to look forward to, take it from me that being at home with your loved ones will be the happiest days of your life.


ps why cant you sail it?

pps now you have had a lump sum......any chance of a tenner?

ashley needham01/11/2015 15:52:08
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I have been with the current ( now ex) team for over 25 years in all. The building where I finished up in was the one I started in all those years ago. The first and second floor (I wont give you the technical department names) have a reunion drink up at xmas, and several throughout the year, so I have no doubt that we will keep in touch, some of these chaps I have known for 39 years! and I shall certainly be joining the team for a few Friday lunchtime drinks now and then.

It is difficult . from a non hobbyists point of view to know exactly what to get a model maker, and to be honest the only prezzy you really want is one you choose yourself. I think they chose well considering, and certainly splashed the cash which is very thoughtful (I had other stuff as well). There was an issue in that I only had 1 1/2 weeks notice that my request had been accepted, and was off on leave for the past week as well (to use it up) otherwise I might have dropped hints, like Paul I had absolutely no idea they would get me such a thing.

The victory kit may have been influenced by the small Victory Airfix kit I had on my desk for a long time. It was part of a box of made-up Airfix ships we bought at a toy fair (Berengar spotted them hiding under a table) some years ago. It was unpainted and I splashed some paint on it, black/buff lines and all. Everyone was well impressed. Oddly enough this is a ghastly model, the gunports have different vertical spacing's either side, and several sticky-out bits do not line up viz when looking from the front or rear

Sail it??? Hmmmm....let me think on that.

Tenner....hhmmmm...let me think on that as well...

Ashley (lump sum probably 3 months away such is the speed of my departure)

Peter Fitness04/11/2015 21:48:09
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Ashley, for a builder of your experience and innovative ideas, plank on frame should be a doddle, you may even be able to add some of your particular flair to itlaugh As a relative new comer to the world of model boating, I decided to build a kit - a Billing Nordkap - for my first foray into the mysteries of plank on frame, and was so encouraged by my effort that the next model using this technique was scratch built.. This was also a great success, and I have found that the use of POF has opened up new possibilities in hull construction. If I could do it, so can you.

Congratulations on your retirement, now all you need to do is enjoy it.


ashley needham05/11/2015 07:50:54
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Peter. Thanks for those words of encouragement ! I am sure the POF part of the build will be ok, its the fiddlyness of it all that has always put me off, but the hull isn't that big, and the gun=port section is covered by a pre-cut veneer, the bottom painted copper (stick-on copper available separately) so an amount of filling etc will be ok.

As you say, this technique may be useful later on for other projects (eventually an 1850`s paddle warship, for instance)


Kimosubby Shipyards06/11/2015 09:26:35
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bite the bullet - kick the cannon ball - hoist the main etc etc

Build it as a motorised sailing model, small motor inside, simple rudder control (enlarge rudder by the way) and add a copper pipe to underside filled with lead for ballast. I managed it with a Bounty kit and produced that Pirate ship - what can you do? I fully expect smoke and noise and stuff.

Go on, you know you want to.


PS see you at LMEX?

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